chromedout12r
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posted February 26, 2013 08:02 PM
Adams or CNC Performance
Want to take my bike for more displacement and tuning. Who is better between Adams or CNC? Does it matter anyone have bad or good experience with either?
  
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posted February 26, 2013 10:05 PM
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quick6
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posted February 26, 2013 10:12 PM
both are good shops. but i know some of the fastest grudge bikes out are running Jims head and cam combos. i dont think anyone has come close to the r&d that jim has done one the 14 head. cant go wrong with either but to me jim seems more helpful on the phone .
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trganey
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posted February 27, 2013 03:06 AM
I haven't had the chance to run any of Jims equipment yet buy I am running an Adams 2X4 that I am happy with.
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posted February 27, 2013 05:47 AM
Never dealt with Adams. Jim is great to deal with. Always takes the time to talk with you and answer any questions.
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madnessracing
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posted February 27, 2013 11:32 AM
Adams has most of the fastest 14s
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posted February 27, 2013 02:40 PM
 Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Feb 2013 22:42
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Adams has most of the fastest 14s
Plus Adams does complete builds.
It is not the head or the cams that make a zx14 fast, it is the complete combo working together, and Adams has that figured out.
Jim may also, but I know Adams does.
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posted February 27, 2013 02:56 PM
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posted February 27, 2013 07:43 PM
Jim does it all and he is a great guy to deal with , I blew my motor in July he was in Maine so he let me bring it to his cottage and has helped me thru every thing . I will never have any one else build my motors
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posted February 27, 2013 08:55 PM
This is my opinion and I've never used either. After talking to both on the phone and what I've seen on the forums. I'd go with Jim @ Competition CNC for the motor build. He's built plenty of actual engines and really does have the head and cams figured out. As for Adams I'm sure they've built fast engines but are actually having someone else do their heads. Many reputable shops actually use other sources for their heads rather than in house. For example, if you take your engine to HTP they send your head to Comp CNC for the port work. If anyone has ever heard of Spaz. He used to do the heads for APE. Vance & Hines also does a lot for many different shops.
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quick6
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posted February 27, 2013 10:19 PM
im sure Adams does their own heads. they have the cnc machines there. like i said earlier cant really go wrong either way. jim is simply more helpful. i think jim is ahead of the curve on the 14 head and cams. he simply seems to do more r&d. a buddy of mone had a 2x4 built by adams. the cam timing slipped and warped some valves. he called adams after getting the head fixed and they would not tell him what they set the cams at. just kinda turned us off on adams.
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chromedout12r
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posted February 28, 2013 04:19 AM
oh wow
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posted February 28, 2013 05:00 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. We try and spend as much time as needed with each customer to make sure there getting what they actually need, so that when there project is finished it meets or exceeds their expectations.
That may sound like a sales marketing line of crap, but it ensures that a street guy doesn't get a high strung engine that makes great peak power but is a dog to ride on the street.
As for head porting? Yes we do we do all the CNC ported heads for APE, Quantum, HTP, Sims Motorsports, as well as many other well known shops that you all know. Many would rather we didn't announce it for all to know.
Many of the fastest Race teams run our engines and or head and cam packages like Johnny Locklear's Area 51, and the Ho and Randy Cagle's Caddy bike, and Cocaine, and Richard Gadson's bike Sandy, as well as Rickeys 2012 turbo bike and his real street and pro street bikes,as well as many record holding land speed racing bikes.... etc.
All of our ports and CNC porting programs are designed in house. We offer several ports for each engine depending on the displacement and use of the engine. That and our custom in house designed cam profiles that are not available from anyone else are what makes the difference and how we can get the extra 10-15+ hp over our competitors best engine packages.
Just for the record, not knocking Adams Performance, but they do not have in house CNC head porting capabilities. They hand port there heads.
Our Big Bucket zx14 heads are in a class by them selves right now. Until someone copies them again.
Good luck on your build which ever way you go.
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posted February 28, 2013 09:09 PM
Edited By: quikgix on 1 Mar 2013 05:10
Adams has the fastest Pro street zx14 on the planet! Im sure Jim has some killer stuff as well.
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posted March 01, 2013 12:04 PM
I highly respect both companies and owners but Jim is the one I'm going to get to build the NA14 when the time comes to step up and go fast NA. I just feel so much more comfortable speaking with Jim and I've even gone over and met Coby face to face. Nothing wrong with Coby Adams. Don't read that into what I'm saying. Jim is just such a gentleman when speaking with you on the phone and that means something to me. Thhe 254 horsepower he got out of Ricky Gadsons bike that gained 20+ horsepower over Adams setup didn't hurt either.
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posted March 01, 2013 12:32 PM
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I highly respect both companies and owners but Jim is the one I'm going to get to build the NA14 when the time comes to step up and go fast NA. I just feel so much more comfortable speaking with Jim and I've even gone over and met Coby face to face. Nothing wrong with Coby Adams. Don't read that into what I'm saying. Jim is just such a gentleman when speaking with you on the phone and that means something to me. Thhe 254 horsepower he got out of Ricky Gadsons bike that gained 20+ horsepower over Adams setup didn't hurt either.
same dyno?? Just asking
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quick6
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posted March 01, 2013 01:05 PM
chris harpers grudge 14 had a 2x4 with jims stage3 head and cams. we took it to adams to be tuned. garron told him that it made more hp than anyother 2x4 they had on their dyno. so take it ever how you want. dyno numbers are nice talking points. but we are after the numbers on the tickets and jims stuff delivers.
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posted March 02, 2013 07:27 AM
Jim's stage 3 is sick . If I can ever afford it I'm Deff gana have it done .
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posted March 02, 2013 04:52 PM
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I highly respect both companies and owners but Jim is the one I'm going to get to build the NA14 when the time comes to step up and go fast NA. I just feel so much more comfortable speaking with Jim and I've even gone over and met Coby face to face. Nothing wrong with Coby Adams. Don't read that into what I'm saying. Jim is just such a gentleman when speaking with you on the phone and that means something to me. The 254 horsepower he got out of Ricky Gadsons bike that gained 20+ horsepower over Adams setup didn't hurt either.
same dyno?? Just asking
No Sir. Different dyno. Good point and I'd say it was only the dyno difference save for the fact that the bike picked up several MPH at the track as well. I want that 254 horsepower combo for my bike one day when money avails itself.
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posted March 04, 2013 08:36 PM
254? That was 3 years ago. 
2 years ago we broke into the 270's with the zx14.
Were in the 280's now all motor. 1570cc 3x5 revving to 12,600.....
1696 cc busas making 315 and 1734 cc busas making 332+
Theirs plenty of places to go if you want to make big power with nitrous or a turbo.
But only one place to go for extreme grudge all motor power.
That motor build off on psycho bike never did happen last year. We were stoked to compete in that. All the builders were all talk at first but then the big names kept coming up with some excuse or another as to why it wouldn't be fair etc.etc. etc. Whatever.
I'm thinking of selling our shop bike soon. I'm just not going to have any time this year to use it.
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posted March 04, 2013 11:14 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 5 Mar 2013 07:15
Ill hop on it :P
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posted March 05, 2013 08:59 AM
1696 busa! Dang!!! Lol
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posted March 05, 2013 10:45 AM
1696 busa! Dang!!! Lol
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posted May 08, 2013 06:12 AM
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I highly respect both companies and owners but Jim is the one I'm going to get to build the NA14 when the time comes to step up and go fast NA. I just feel so much more comfortable speaking with Jim and I've even gone over and met Coby face to face. Nothing wrong with Coby Adams. Don't read that into what I'm saying. Jim is just such a gentleman when speaking with you on the phone and that means something to me. Thhe 254 horsepower he got out of Ricky Gadsons bike that gained 20+ horsepower over Adams setup didn't hurt either.
He brought us that bike and we stuck it on our dyno and it made 10hp less than Jeremy Teasley's real street bike, and Rickey's bike had more cc's and the large throttle bodies.. I laid Rickey's dynop graph over JT's and he was heart broken. Just ask Rickey what he said after he seen that... We have the fastest ZX14 period in world and the records so it.
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posted May 08, 2013 06:18 AM
You can buy inflated dyno numbers if you want, but we want ET. All I know is Leonidas never made over 300 and we all know it was the fastest all motor bike at the time. And no zx14 is making 270+ We need these dyno these people use our zx14 would make 300 and the busa grudge bikes would make 360.
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