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posted November 27, 2012 05:52 PM
Always fabulous to see this stuff - well done!
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posted November 27, 2012 05:53 PM
Always favbulous to see this type of innovation - well done!
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tuningfoRk
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posted November 27, 2012 08:55 PM
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tuningfoRk, glad you made the trip over here, I don't know a lot about turbos or supercharge, but just the basics of how they work, it's not hard to make 600 hp with a turbo, but I think the real difference is how they get their, I think the supercharger makes more power down low, it will be interesting to see the dino numbers and where it makes power at. Do you know how many pounds of boost this system will make ? good luck and I'll be watching.
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Thanks Bub!
As far as boost goes, I don't know how much it is going to be. I do not have anything to refference to for this set up. It is the first for the 14R's. I have the blower speed set for 89k rpm's @ 12,500 engine rpm's. This blower is good to over 120k rpm's....
I feel with the power it made N/A and E.T.'s, I shouldn't need to much (10#) to get to where I want it. Based on the blower speed, once it's on the dyno. I will use the boost numbers to tell me how efficient the system and motor are. Refferencing fuel flow, ignition timing, boost and power.
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tuningfoRk
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posted November 27, 2012 09:02 PM
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Yep- timming- I had a boost-retard dial on the dash of my kenne bell Jeep back in the day. How much boost can a stock motor take and does your kit have an intercooler?
As of right now, No intercooler will be run in RST per ruling. However, I am going to make a air to air set up and water to air set for it as well and test both. On the dyno and track.
The stock motor on these 2012's are stout! With the propper fuel system and intercooled, I wouldn't hesitate to go 12 to 14 psi. Non-intercooled, I'd stay under 10 psi. Both on pump gas...
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posted November 28, 2012 01:03 PM
stock pistons the ring land above the top ring on exhaust valve releif is the weak point and get rid of the soft rpm limiter in the ecu, or #4 piston will lean out and burn up
The 1st gen zx14 needed valve springs too
Intake charge temps should be much more tolerable withou the heat sink a turbo creates. no room for intercooler, Id do water / meth injection over 10 psi instead
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tuningfoRk
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posted November 28, 2012 02:01 PM
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stock pistons the ring land above the top ring on exhaust valve releif is the weak point and get rid of the soft rpm limiter in the ecu, or #4 piston will lean out and burn up
The 1st gen zx14 needed valve springs too
Intake charge temps should be much more tolerable withou the heat sink a turbo creates. no room for intercooler, Id do water / meth injection over 10 psi instead
Very valid and good points.
Really I set to make a race kit to go out and compete with turbo and nitrous stuff. And market it that way. Altho this kit will work on the street with a standard C-1 head unit or even the B-1 little popper. And do it very well. This system is really ment for built bikes with propper internals, fuel systems, and tuning capacities.
I do plan to do a street kit that will not be as agressive as this set up. But will compete with the power and reliabilty of the average stg 1 turbo kits availbe for most sportbikes.
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posted November 28, 2012 04:18 PM
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stock pistons the ring land above the top ring on exhaust valve releif is the weak point and get rid of the soft rpm limiter in the ecu, or #4 piston will lean out and burn up
The 1st gen zx14 needed valve springs too
Intake charge temps should be much more tolerable withou the heat sink a turbo creates. no room for intercooler, Id do water / meth injection over 10 psi instead
I also found that the stock ring gap can be .006 on the top ring. That is definately too tight and will really mess up a ring land.
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
Done at the CNC shop. Now time to get to work, gotta break it down. Change the pistons, Key-way the crank. Do some head work. Re-wire the whole thing for the Holley....And a few other things....
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posted December 03, 2012 02:21 PM
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Done at the CNC shop. Now time to get to work, gotta break it down. Change the pistons, Key-way the crank. Do some head work. Re-wire the whole thing for the Holley....And a few other things....
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posted December 04, 2012 05:22 AM
I cant wait to see how the plastics at fitted when done.
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zixxer14
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posted December 04, 2012 09:18 AM
I wouldn't cover it, it looks way too good to hide. Nice build, bet it hauls ass.
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posted December 04, 2012 11:52 AM
I realy like the quality of the work and the way your driving the supercharger , but personally think having the compressor outside the drive and sticking out so far makes it look a bit unbalanced , what are you doing for a filter ?
Good luck with the build anyway i'm sure it will make good power
Your supercharger compressor maps will give you a cfm at any given supercharger speed
from there you can work out the hp and approximate psi
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posted December 05, 2012 05:57 PM
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I realy like the quality of the work and the way your driving the supercharger , but personally think having the compressor outside the drive and sticking out so far makes it look a bit unbalanced , what are you doing for a filter ?
Good luck with the build anyway i'm sure it will make good power
Your supercharger compressor maps will give you a cfm at any given supercharger speed
from there you can work out the hp and approximate psi
You are right ... That thing is going to get so much air hitting it , it may turn left all by it self .. Still i think it's very cool ... I saw one that someone did for a ZX10 and it was all under the body work ..
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 06, 2012 06:36 AM
We will see....I have hung water to air and air to air intercoolers out in the wind with little to no effect on how it went down the track at over 180 mph...
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posted December 06, 2012 03:44 PM
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We will see....I have hung water to air and air to air intercoolers out in the wind with little to no effect on how it went down the track at over 180 mph...
I think it will be fine for drag racing , but Land speed racing it might be a problem .
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posted December 06, 2012 04:58 PM
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I realy like the quality of the work and the way your driving the supercharger , but personally think having the compressor outside the drive and sticking out so far makes it look a bit unbalanced , what are you doing for a filter ?
Good luck with the build anyway i'm sure it will make good power
Your supercharger compressor maps will give you a cfm at any given supercharger speed
from there you can work out the hp and approximate psi
You are right ... That thing is going to get so much air hitting it , it may turn left all by it self .. Still i think it's very cool ... I saw one that someone did for a ZX10 and it was all under the body work ..
I've ran the side mount booza to 200+ many times I never felt the wind causing any problems with it. I was terrified to ride that thing at speeds at first because I thought it was gonna effect the bike but it was just fine. But that blower looks like its gonna add a little more weight than the turbo kit
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posted December 06, 2012 05:23 PM
I was just concerned with the look , , big thing hanging out the side on a motorbike just does nothing for me
same with the busas, but some like it,
i'll still be watching the thread closely as its about a lot more than personal preference on looks 
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 06, 2012 07:31 PM
It looks to hang out further than it actually does. This is a standard head unit and volute, the race unit is about 1 1/2 inches shorter. This mock up unit, is just pass the bar end by about 2 inches. The body work will take up a lot of open space you see.
If its not for you, it's not. I can respect that. But speculation is just that tell you try it. No one else has done this set up. So who knows what it is going to do. I'm going to find out for myself.
The billet parts and head unit together weigh less than the Bullseye Power S366 billet turbo that I have on my Busa, by it's self. By almost 4 pounds....
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posted December 07, 2012 05:08 AM
Why did A&A performance discontinue their zx10 supercharger? That was a nice look!
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 16, 2012 08:51 AM
Been really busy in the shop on customer stuff. But she is up on the bench now. I put the actual head unit I am going to run on it, going to get all the fab stuff done then break it down to go throught the motor and wire it.
I mocked up the plastic on it to real quick, I cut the fairing that blew off it earlier this year at the track.
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posted December 17, 2012 07:17 AM
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Smokin how do you set that up for a stock wheebase 14 drag racing....?
I'm thinking 20T front 38T rear.
6th gear pow pows would be fun.
A.
With the super charger, power is controlled with timing control. And of course Blower rpm's.
If using a stock ECU, I would run an SB6. Timing control in every gear, with luanch curve as well.
Gearing will help also to a point. I'm at 64". This bike bike is built to RST BigBore Nitrous rules for 180 lbs rider. With the SC I am to follow the same ruling for Nitrous.
The biggest limiting factor I feel I am going to face, is that per RST ruling. I am still on a stock pressure plate in the clutch. No lock up, no slider, no multi stg. I have to keep the power controllable and hold the clutch together.
As far as gearing goes, 18-38 should put you real close. M bike makes in the neighborhood of 425hp and it works for me fine.
You should definately use the 0-5 volt function in the SB6 and control the boost by retarding the timing with voltage.
The clutch has 6 springs as aposed to Gen 1's 5 springs, so I use valve springs and have more than enough clutch to hold 195mph runs so you will be fine.
let me know if you need help setting it up.
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 17, 2012 09:11 AM
Thanks Rickey! I will be running a Holley HP EFI system on this bike. Full stand alone. It has 4 stages of timing retard I can do time or gear based, after the launch and two step.
What valve springs are running in the clutch? I had the Brock's clutch spring kit in it last year and I could not get it to hold on the big end. With his heavy spring and the most shim I could use with out causing coil bind it still slipped....
I would like to talk to you about the bike, if you have time please give me a call. 616-325-5571
Thanks Andy
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posted December 18, 2012 01:00 PM
The clutch has 6 springs as aposed to Gen 1's 5 springs, so I use valve springs and have more than enough clutch to hold 195mph runs so you will be fine.
Thats good to know thanks
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posted December 21, 2012 02:53 PM
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Thanks Rickey! I will be running a Holley HP EFI system on this bike. Full stand alone. It has 4 stages of timing retard I can do time or gear based, after the launch and two step.
What valve springs are running in the clutch? I had the Brock's clutch spring kit in it last year and I could not get it to hold on the big end. With his heavy spring and the most shim I could use with out causing coil bind it still slipped....
I would like to talk to you about the bike, if you have time please give me a call. 616-325-5571
Thanks Andy
How hard is it going to be to install the Holley Hp Efi?
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tuningfoRk
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posted December 21, 2012 04:52 PM
I am working on the wiring and pin out diagrams now. So for future installs and customers it will be easy.
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