JZX
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posted July 13, 2012 05:52 PM
BMW what?
Having experience on 2 beemers, though they will bust a gixxer's ass any day, they are still "last week"(as Karl recently posted).
8.78@158, stock wheelbase too.. Oh yeah, I forgot, it was a 2011 ZX10R.. Tony has that thing movin'.
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
  
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zx12mark
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posted July 13, 2012 07:59 PM
can u say it in english this time,i`m dumb..............
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JZX
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posted July 13, 2012 08:25 PM
Too many people nutswinging the BMW, all the while, the ZX10 is putting down the numbers at the track.
English:
Stock Wheelbase, Stock motor
8.78 1/4 mile ET
No one has done that on a BMW S1000R.
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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JZX
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posted July 13, 2012 08:35 PM
 Edited By: JZX on 14 Jul 2012 04:38
Slip on Brock's pipe
MR12
stock bearings
normal weight oil
SWB
and it's summer time
Tony Ferland-
Dude can ride
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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zx12mark
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posted July 13, 2012 09:28 PM
dam that motherfucker is rippin.
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Kawifast
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posted July 14, 2012 05:05 AM
Couple of thought on the BMW S-thou and the ZX-10R. These aren't related as much to 1/8 or 1/4 times but more to overall feel and general power delivery. I have ridden both pretty extensively, the BMW more than the Zx10, but the Kaw enough to form an opinion.
First, there has been a love affair with the BMW S1000 by the press and the owners almost since introduction and for lot's of good reasons. However, as in a lot of things BMW, that little blue and white propeller gets a lot of people excited before they ever start the bike, (or car.)
Not many have done as good of a job of branding as BMW. Again, I have to say it's not hollow branding and there is no way you could build a brand and sustain the level of respect it has without delivering. I own a BMW car, and have owned three others as well as a BMW K1600GT bike. While they, as the S1000RR is, are technological marvels, and all have that certain, almost other worldly factor when driving them, (truly are the ultimate driving machines IMO), they almost always have certain characteristics that are a bit bafflling.
With the cars,not so much, but certain over engineered quirks primarily with the electronics and on board computer, as well as a less than pleasing exhaust note at idle. I've long since stopped paying any attention to the last, (given the heart stopping overall execution of these cars) but if you were a new BMW owner, given the price you paid, you'd likely be wondering why it didn't sound this way or another at startup. With the K1600GT, it is a wonderful 1st year sport touring motorcycle, with some truly outstanding attributes such as steering, handling, mid range torque, comfort and the inline 6 in general, the press has fully forgiven the bike for:
-Drive line lash that can be managed but still no reason a bike of this stature should have any. The Kawi Concours shaft drive bike has none.
-A 6cyl engine that is very smooth and torquey but at certain rpm's and gears, (3rd), you get a certain egg beater whirring that really is annoying for an inline 6.
-Bike revs very hard and has a lot of torque but doesn't really like being taken to redline and top end is lacking IMO.
-A gear box that either rewards you with the smoothest gear transition you've ever felt on a motorcycle, or if you get a tad bit lazy, makes you look as if its your first ride around the block.
For all of BMW Motorads reputation for producing staid, boring old man bikes, they really have never really ever abandoned any notion of being a performance company, producing some very powerful and well peforming bikes from nakeds to full on touring. Now the S1000RR delivered what a lot of people always thought BMW should have been doing for quite some time.
All that said to say that while the BMW S-thou is a great motorcycle in "many" ways, in others it truly lacks the refinement, IMO of the ZX-10R, (or the CBR1000 for that matter.) Interesting that BMW is the one who has developed more of the hotrod persona with a real track emphasis, (although def not limited to that and a very good street bike). For me the much firmer suspension, significant vibration through the rear sets and bars, (very annoying on all I've ridden), and the inevitable BMW recalls, camshaft failures and gremlins in the bikes keeps me from annointing the bike, for the street, as the greatest liter sport bike on the road. Much like the drive line lash on the K1600 does for it. The press however almost never if ever mentions these issues. The 1600 is bike of the year, the S1000 is bike of the year and repeated shoot out winner, they are all approached with some kind of mythological status that while in other bikes I believe would be placed under greater scrutiny.
Again I'm talking about street manners and street riding vs racing. For me riding a S1000rr back to back with a ZX-10R, the Kawi feels smoother, with almost no vibration, feels like it has good if not better midrange, and has a smoother more consistent gear box. Even with the Bimmers auto shifter, 3 fuel modes, ESA and other goodies, dare I say that back to back comparisons to me almost make the BMW feel a bit "crude"?
Now the weird part, while I love them both,( and possibly should include the Honda CBR1000) equally for street riding, I'm strangely drawn to that :"more crude" power delivery and overall feel of the BMW. I suppose the car analogy could be used again. When Toyota and Nissan, with Honda to a lessor extent with Acura, introduced their V8's via their Lexus and Infiniti lines, it turned BMW and MB on their ear and drove the two Germans to quickly move from big inline and V6's to their new competitors silky smooth V8 market space. The German cars still had the "road feel", (read harsh in some cases) while the Japs coddled their passengers on a magic carpet ride. German cars had character. Jap cars were flawless to the point of having no soul. Enthusiasts bought German, new adopters bought Japanese and listen to Muzak.
So it is a bit with the newest offering from the Germans, after alllowing the Japanese, Italians and to a lesser degree the Brits for pure sport bike riding, to kind of have their way with the market. A bit of reverse product delivery from the car analogy.
For me the ZX10r is a wonderful motorcycle. I love it's lack of vibration and harshness with that silky smooth power plant and it great street tuned suspension. I'd not hesitate to own one here very soon, but it would only be after a lot more back to back testing to see if the, ignored by the press, negative attributes of the BMW, truly concern me to the level that they do now. I have a feeling that that highly subjective factor the BMW offers in all of it's machines might win out, in spite of the other shortcomings, but I'd likely always have in my mind the comparison to the smoother running, riding and in many ways, better motorcycle in the ZX-10R.
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2012 Kawasaki ZX14-R
2012 BMW S1000RR
2012 BMW K1600GT
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