pazx14rider
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posted February 11, 2012 06:29 AM
Removing Secondaries on the 14R
Figured i would pass this on. I know Smokin had issues with a bent secondary rod from removing the plates. Kawi definitely did not want these taken out easily. I got mine out but not without some issues. One screw stripped on me...ended up using a dremel and vaccum to get the screw out. Figured all was good but it wasnt after i tried starting it it would not start. It acted like coil plugs were switched and it kept back firing when cranking the engine and would not start. If this happens to anyone take the sensor off the right side of the secondary rod and use a pair of needle nose and turn the rod back and fourth. my secondary rod was bound up from trying to get the plates out. it turned freely didnt feel bent. keep in the the sensor is a spring loaded sensor has to be turned and put on so theres spring tenstion on the sensor. bike fired right up worked great after i did this. Hope this helps some people out if you run into this
  
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samin
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posted February 11, 2012 10:31 AM
 Edited By: samin on 11 Feb 2012 18:32
Hi, I didn´t fully understand how did you fix that (from "keep in...") my language, sorry.
But I just wanted to ask if is it possible to brake something if I accidentally turn secondaries while trying to remove flies? Hope not because that just happened to me while I was keeping up load with screwdriver and heating up screws. I slipped the driver and plates got about fully open. Bike´s still in pieces so I can´t test it yet if it works normally.
My bike is 2008, so this is little off topic, sorry.
br, samin
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codyc_13
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posted February 11, 2012 10:34 AM
Samin, you should be fine!!
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samin
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posted February 11, 2012 11:18 AM
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Samin, you should be fine!!
Good to hear, thanks a lot! I feel much better now ;D
br, samin
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CajunBoyz
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posted February 11, 2012 11:36 AM
Ok, what are some tricks as to NOT run into these problems??/ i think Wheelie got away with no problmes???
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Oz Booster
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posted February 11, 2012 12:21 PM
My main experiance is with bent blades on busa's, but to remove them and not cause yourself problems
you have to deburr the riveted end of the screw
and support the underside of the shaft so you can put some weight into the screwdriver without bending or forcing stuff
i use a 5/8 bolt in a vise as an "anvil"
pretty sure the same would apply to the secondarys
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Wheelie
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posted February 11, 2012 12:28 PM
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Ok, what are some tricks as to NOT run into these problems??/ i think Wheelie got away with no problmes???
take off all plastic needed to remove tank, ride it for a while so everything is heated up, frame, throttle bodies, then remove the tank and take them out using a quality screwdriver.
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1badzx12r
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posted February 11, 2012 12:42 PM
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Ok, what are some tricks as to NOT run into these problems??/ i think Wheelie got away with no problmes???
take off all plastic needed to remove tank, ride it for a while so everything is heated up, frame, throttle bodies, then remove the tank and take them out using a quality screwdriver.
wee
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blue07
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posted February 11, 2012 12:58 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 11 Feb 2012 21:07
They can be difficult.I ran my engine for a nice several minutes to get er up to temp.Removed the tank.Was able to get three loose easily...that last one..no go.Had to grind the head off.It worked okay.I did not turn the shaft while doing this,but when I started my bike back up....the shaft apparently 'reset' itself?Loud grind noise...then all was fine.
A JIS screwdriver is the real way to go with these screws.If I remember correctly,I tapped(and I mean lightly)the driver when I first put it into the screw head(s).The shaft was fine.You just gotta apply straight down pressure and turn very slowly and smoothly.If it feels like it's not biting...stop,and take a breath...then reset into the screw.
I'm referring to my 07.NOT the new 14R...sorry.
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Wheelie
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posted February 11, 2012 01:10 PM
don't just idle the bike, ride it for about 30 minutes.
wee
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blue07
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posted February 11, 2012 01:14 PM
Ya...what Wee said 
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Lsantana954
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posted February 11, 2012 02:50 PM
I had a similar issue with the inboard and outboard screws on the left side. I got them out far enough to where i was able to wedge a screw driver under the head and break them off. Luckily no binding in the rod.
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smokinZX14
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posted February 11, 2012 02:51 PM
I didn't bend my shaft removing the flies .. I bent them putting them back in .. I used a ton of pressure to reinstall them so they would not come lose .. Now repeat that 3 times like i did for testing and you will bend a shaft .. If you are just removing them you should have no problems at all .. What i did find out is the shaft is really soft , once i had the shaft out of the TBs i could bent it with my fingers .. So just becarefull how much pressure you put on your screw driver when removing them.. My shaft locked up so bad i could not turn them with a pair of Channellock Pliers ..
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cls
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posted February 11, 2012 03:01 PM
A bit of an aside: Last I talked to Brocks, they said "so far it didn't look like removing the 'flies was going to help w/the '12." Yea or nay?
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smokinZX14
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posted February 11, 2012 03:35 PM
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A bit of an aside: Last I talked to Brocks, they said "so far it didn't look like removing the 'flies was going to help w/the '12." Yea or nay?
Felt better to me to have them out .. It didn't slow me down any .. 
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cls
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posted February 11, 2012 06:29 PM
Fair enough. It made a big difference on my '06 and a nice difference on my Connie 14. I'll have to think about this one and do a little more research.
Thanks much.
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smokinZX14
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posted February 11, 2012 07:13 PM
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Fair enough. It made a big difference on my '06 and a nice difference on my Connie 14. I'll have to think about this one and do a little more research.
Thanks much.
To me it feels like pulling the flies from my 09 zx14 , not a big gain like the 06 07 zx14 but still a gain .. There may be more gain once i get it mapped ..
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Viper
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posted February 11, 2012 09:47 PM
What would be the difference in pulling them vs having them wide open with the ECU flash?
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blue07
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posted February 11, 2012 11:41 PM
IDK...but I'm getting the Guhl reflash...fly opening at around 3K or thereabouts.I didn't want to remove mine because I think(not sure as yet,but...)the fly operation helps with the smoothing of the throttle action during certain applications.Maybe for Dragging..it wouldn't matter...but for street riding?IDK....It won't really matter much anyway...getting that 'sooner' fly opening if I want to remove em,as long as it doesn't affect the transitioning of the fuel mix at various speeds and such.If they aint in there...then the shaft operation won't do anything anyway...so.....
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cls
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posted February 12, 2012 06:43 AM
Or is a TRE the way to go on the '12? I want it to run right but I like it to be easy. Still in the formative stages w/this one, I reckon. I'll see what the folks in the know have to say when they finish all their playing w/it.
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Viper
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posted February 12, 2012 08:33 PM
What gain is it to pull the flies vs flashing the ecu to open them early??
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Wheelie
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posted February 12, 2012 08:37 PM
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What gain is it to pull the flies vs flashing the ecu to open them early??
instant gain, no waiting.
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Wheelie
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posted February 12, 2012 08:37 PM
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What gain is it to pull the flies vs flashing the ecu to open them early??
instant gain, no waiting.
wee
and no cost.
wee
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Viper
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posted February 12, 2012 09:26 PM
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What gain is it to pull the flies vs flashing the ecu to open them early??
instant gain, no waiting.
wee
and no cost.
wee
no normal riding issues with the14r? I may wait and have it done thru the ecu when I do the rev and speed flash then remove them later to see if there is a difference. Its no extra cost to do it with the other flash
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fullzx12r
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posted February 12, 2012 10:21 PM
no problem with traction control ??????
if to pull completly the flies ?
or if flashing the ECU to open the early ?
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