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posted November 14, 2011 05:45 AM
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i still want to know how this 4mil stroke and large cams and better head with pro rider zx14r only did 156mph... and leonidas stock motor gen1 zx14 did 160mph at this track 2 or 3 years ago .. maybe ricky needs to call jenny.. cause he done strip the bike down can't blame the mufflers .. ...
was leonidas bike stock length?......
  
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LeoVinceZX14
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posted November 14, 2011 05:53 AM
Taking in all the feedback from eklipse636, Bently and everyone who...saw the RT bike run in person and the video of RG's 9.31 run in Vegas, I think the 14R will fly in the hand's of the good racers once its lowered, extended and probably running a 40 tooth rear sprocket. I fully expect to see 8 second slips from people with stock pipes, lowered and extended. Kawasaki definitely dropped the ball, NOT having the Vegas green SE (or a similar "stock" lowered) bike run at Valdosta, but I'm betting a certain..pissed off guy in St. Pete will be among those with 8 second 14R time slips...shortly. Put me down for a blue one in 2012.
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posted November 14, 2011 06:49 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 14 Nov 2011 15:05
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Jesses bike 06 ZX14, piped and tuned before head work ..
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Y2KZX12R
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posted November 14, 2011 06:53 AM
There's a lot of assumptions and speculating going on here.
And even speculation on the assumptions!!!  lol
Remember the bike run this weekend isn't a production bike. That may seem trivial but its not. No one rational can make any solid conclusions from this weekend. The variables are to great.
Once production bikes are out there and people get some time to tweak and play with them for more than a handful of passes then you will start to see what this bike is going to be capable of. I wouldn't be disappointed with any of the numbers you have seen so far from the new zx14. The production bikes have 20+ hp over the gen 1 bikes no matter how you slice it.
Wait until the production bikes gets a few solid days at the track and then you will have some solid baselines to actually compare to the gen 2 Busas and gen1 zx14's.
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smokinZX14
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posted November 14, 2011 06:55 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 14 Nov 2011 14:58
125.51 ft-lbs That makes a Vmax TQ look weak ..
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Famous1
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posted November 14, 2011 07:04 AM
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Master
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posted November 14, 2011 07:22 AM
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OK, since 1Bad hasn't shown up lately, I'll continue to fill in for him.
The new 14R still fails to impress.
Compare Brock's 08 Busa, stock pipes, slammed, pump gas, clutch mod, no mirrors:
9.322 @ 150.95, with a 1.547 60 ft.
Let's see, 14R with the same mods went what???
With mods like the 8.99 14R, the 08 Busa went::
8.915 @ 156.99 with a 1.489 60 ft.
Should I stick with buying the 14R or just buy a Busa already modded for 1/2 the price?
As I said before stock out the box nothing beats the busa it longer and lower of the show room floor. At 125lbs of torque good luck riding a stock lenth bike busa or 14. The new 14 should shine when they stretch it. And yes they will have to stretch it out real long cause 125lbs of torque is still to much for a 4 to 6 inch stretch most guy with a 14 and a 40 shot don't have 125lbs of torque so imagine comming out of the hole with a 40 shot off the line with a 4 inch stretch.
Stop crying cause it aint faster stock than the busa too much torque and too short of a wheel base.
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FearsomeKawasaki
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posted November 14, 2011 07:36 AM
Was that 9.3 done at altitude like the 14R's?
That's insane power for a stock motor. When you guys get your hands on it and work out how to dial in the power I think you'll kick ass.
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Famous1
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posted November 14, 2011 07:37 AM
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OK, since 1Bad hasn't shown up lately, I'll continue to fill in for him.
The new 14R still fails to impress.
Compare Brock's 08 Busa, stock pipes, slammed, pump gas, clutch mod, no mirrors:
9.322 @ 150.95, with a 1.547 60 ft.
Let's see, 14R with the same mods went what???
With mods like the 8.99 14R, the 08 Busa went::
8.915 @ 156.99 with a 1.489 60 ft.
Should I stick with buying the 14R or just buy a Busa already modded for 1/2 the price?
As I said before stock out the box nothing beats the busa it longer and lower of the show room floor. At 125lbs of torque good luck riding a stock lenth bike busa or 14. The new 14 should shine when they stretch it. And yes they will have to stretch it out real long cause 125lbs of torque is still to much for a 4 to 6 inch stretch most guy with a 14 and a 40 shot don't have 125lbs of torque so imagine comming out of the hole with a 40 shot off the line with a 4 inch stretch.
Stop crying cause it aint faster stock than the busa too much torque and too short of a wheel base.
too much torque is not a bad problem to have... depending on your skill level, you may be able to exploiy it.....
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posted November 14, 2011 08:13 AM
The busa is a pig off the floor, becuase you cannot launch it- clutch mods dont come from the factory. The busa is not longer then the new 14 - prove me wrong.
The test was done at the same track, same day, off the showroom floor. We know what happened after that. Busa got walked every time.
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Master
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posted November 14, 2011 08:55 AM
bike went 9.4
busa went 8.9
don't be an idot most 14 owners that have owned or ridden a genII busa will tell you its faster than 10.?. If he could have kept the front down sure he would have run quicker. also most X busa riders on this site will tell you the stock clutch is not that bad to launch brocks just selling clutch spacers. Try shortining up your bike and try to run a good number on it its not that easy. Where talking rickey gadson here I'm sure he can out ride us all. It is what it is and until they stretch and release that beast we will never know. I hope glen finishes his cause he will let us know .
As stated both bike setup the same busa was faster without mr12. have you ever felt 125lbs of torque. Most guys on here will tell you stock lenth with the 110lbs of torque at 180+ hp they have now that there bike would be pretty slow in the 1/4 compared to when its stretched. I guess if they gave you a 300hp stock lenth bike you would run 8's . Stop and think the bike has great potential
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posted November 14, 2011 09:01 AM
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I hope glen finishes his cause he will let us know .
That is what I am waiting for Vince. Let me know as soon as you see that beast at Barona or at one of the other SoCal tracks you frequent. I think it should be a beast once it is stretched.
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posted November 14, 2011 09:05 AM
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The busa is a pig off the floor, becuase you cannot launch it- clutch mods dont come from the factory. The busa is not longer then the new 14 - prove me wrong.
The test was done at the same track, same day, off the showroom floor. We know what happened after that. Busa got walked every time.
You simple minded guys lol my genII booza would smack the Shit out of my 14s, the booza is easier to launch and had more MPH too. 100% stock clutch!!
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posted November 14, 2011 09:07 AM
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The busa is a pig off the floor, becuase you cannot launch it- clutch mods dont come from the factory. The busa is not longer then the new 14 - prove me wrong.
The test was done at the same track, same day, off the showroom floor. We know what happened after that. Busa got walked every time.
You simple minded guys lol my genII booza would smack the Shit out of my 14s, the booza is easier to launch and had more MPH too. 100% stock clutch!!
smokes, you are never going to get the majority of Kawi people to admit that a Busa is fast, and you will never get the Suzuki guys to admit that a 14 or 14R is a formidable competitor...lol You may as well be talking to a brick wall.
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posted November 14, 2011 09:14 AM
@ the guys complaining about the drag racing chit-chat, simple solution. Don't read it and don't b1tch!
I'm not a drag racer either, but there are a lot of guys here who are and they're pretty serious about it, and most of them do know what they're talking about.
Finally, how do you 'know' the bikes the magazines test are stock? Because the tester said so? How does he know? Because the company said so? And factories would never present a blue printed bike to a magazine tester, to get a good write up?
The info you get from the guys on this site, who actually go out and race their bikes every week is about as good as it gets.
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posted November 14, 2011 09:49 AM
Keep it coming
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posted November 14, 2011 10:25 AM
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The info you get from the guys on this site, who actually go out and race their bikes every week is about as good as it gets.
and if you ever been to a dragstrip ..you'll find out that they are all stock motors
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posted November 14, 2011 11:04 AM
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The busa is a pig off the floor, becuase you cannot launch it- clutch mods dont come from the factory. The busa is not longer then the new 14 - prove me wrong.
The test was done at the same track, same day, off the showroom floor. We know what happened after that. Busa got walked every time.
You simple minded guys lol my genII booza would smack the Shit out of my 14s, the booza is easier to launch and had more MPH too. 100% stock clutch!!
I never do the fix all clutch mods to my busa either. don't need it. heavy springs just like my 14.
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posted November 14, 2011 11:36 AM
Edited By: JZX on 14 Nov 2011 19:53
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The busa is a pig off the floor, becuase you cannot launch it- clutch mods dont come from the factory. The busa is not longer then the new 14 - prove me wrong.
The test was done at the same track, same day, off the showroom floor. We know what happened after that. Busa got walked every time.
You simple minded guys lol my genII booza would smack the Shit out of my 14s, the booza is easier to launch and had more MPH too. 100% stock clutch!!
smokes, you are never going to get the majority of Kawi people to admit that a Busa is fast, and you will never get the Suzuki guys to admit that a 14 or 14R is a formidable competitor...lol You may as well be talking to a brick wall.
The comparison master is making is Richard Gadson with a clutch mod, lowered rear and strapped front 08 busa, different day and not at Vegas. If the clutch mod wasn' t needed then who the fuck is running 9.3's stock pipes without it?
I don't know what what I'm talking about? I ran 9.86@141 on my first pass on a gen 1 busa with a muzzy pipe. I have ridden plenty of both- and I have ridden busas with and without clutch mod and there is a difference. I am not brand loyal, but I would not buy the slower of the two. I ran stock wheelbase with 230hp for over a year so I know what power feels like when your short.
If the test wasn't done the same say at the same time, same track it doesn't mean shit. Yeah the bike will move stret hed, of course- but that doesn't mean short that it won't run down the busa.
@ master, prove me wrong, you said the gen 2 busa was longer then the new 14. I say its not.
Correction - I ran 9.81 (edit)
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posted November 14, 2011 11:48 AM
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thanks bently some guy just read online stuff and think its gospel.
I never said the genII busa was faster than the new zx14 just said the 14 will be to hard to ride at stock lenth. Shoot the new 14 comes stock with more hp than a piped genII. and believe me 1 inch longer aint gone help a piped lowered straped monster if you can't stay in it you cant go as fast . Shoot just wait when they strech it you'll see the bike should fly.
I cant imagine trying to ride the new 14 stock lenth with the flies out.
There suppose to be running at Fantana this weekend Justin hopefully Glen will be there with the new bike. And we know his rider is one of the best on the west coast.
I'm sorry MR JZX your right when ricky ran at the same track he ran a 9.0 same as he did on a genII 14 thats what the guys on this page are talking about. It should have ran faster. I'm not putting down the new 14 just saying the facts. Yes as the guy stated if you can use the torque it is m uch better. Shot Shine said he could not take the new BMW into the 9's stock height cause it was too much power to weight. 200hp 125lbs of torque setup right and nothing stock can touch it.
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posted November 14, 2011 12:01 PM
Edited By: JZX on 14 Nov 2011 20:18
It was the quote you have at the top of this page- that wasn' t you. You just posted the quote but nothing else. My bad-I should have went after Lucky14 instead !
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posted November 14, 2011 12:09 PM
Edited By: NINJA12 on 14 Nov 2011 20:12
I believe you could leave a solid gold brick on some peoples porch and they would complain.
1441cc and 200hp, what the hell Kawasaki got to do, ride it for you. Dam some people never satisfied. No disrespect but dam what Ricky can do, I'll never run those number.
The Bike has 200hp and 125 ft lbs +/- a few, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THAT?
P.s. WHEN I get one it will be lowered, strapped,piped, tuned, air shifter, and 66" +.
Maybe i should get Ricky or Ry to find out how fast "I" will go with this setup.
Is JT available. LOL
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posted November 14, 2011 01:32 PM
Just wanted to give you guys some real information. The intention for the bike we have was to show the bike as a customized bike for the Kawasaki dealer trade show. While the performance of the new ZX14R is VERY important that was never the intention for this particular motorcycle. There is still a huge market for the ZX14R on the custom side for guys who realize for Street riding the bike has more than enough power. Looks and the ability to customize are much more important to our custom bike enthusiasts than pure performance #'s. This is the reason this pre production bike was used as a custom display model.
We use these bikes to create aftermarket products to support the market. As there are/were no production bikes available to use/test with we are working with Brock and Ricky and other vendors to get the knowledge they need to help you/these bikes go faster and to develop new products.
The numbers you see from this bike are not exact representation of what the real numbers will be and are just a taste. Brock, Ricky and myself all are VERY confident that the real production bikes will deliver more than what you are seeing and this information is helping to develop the products for the production bikes coming. We were very excited to see what this bike would do as we know this new 2012 ZX14R is the real deal and is going to shock the world with how incredible it is. There is no scam or secretive ploy behind this! Just a hard working group of guys trying to develop stuff to support the market. We apologize for the mis information that has been spreading and really look forward to the release of this amazing machine!
Also want to point out that while the bike makes huge H.P. and Torque there are many other improvements that are important as well and all add up to the most incredible vehicle available in the world.
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posted November 14, 2011 01:43 PM
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It was the quote you have at the top of this page- that wasn' t you. You just posted the quote but nothing else. My bad-I should have went after Lucky14 instead !
Hey, what did *I* do???
Maybe I did stir the pot a little in 1BAD's absence ..................................
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posted November 14, 2011 02:00 PM
Almost 205hp with pipe, pc and lil race gas. HOLY SHIT!!!!!
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