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posted November 21, 2011 03:46 PM
17-51 Gearing on a 14r
I have a new 160 link zzz chain, I will be leaving the front sprocket alone and add a 51 on the rear, 12 over swingarm, wondering will I be able to have my axle as far back as it will go or will the 51 lose a little wheelbase with the big rear sprocket? Hoping to cut only 2-3 links
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posted November 21, 2011 04:08 PM
If 17/42 on the new zx14r only goes 186 how fast will 17/51 go ? Wee with all the extra TQ this motor makes ( 125 fp ) do you really need all that gear ? Remember the first gear is the same gen 1 and gen 2 , the other 5 gears ar lower on the new zx14r .. I would start off with something like 17/45 .. That would be like a 16/41 on the old zx14 but the other 5 gears would still be lower than the old zx14 ..
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posted November 21, 2011 04:12 PM
Stock gearing/tire will do more than 186, if my experience with the old 14 applies.
That is certain.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:12 PM
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If 17/42 on the new zx14r only goes 186 how fast will 17/51 go ? Wee with all the extra TQ this motor makes ( 125 fp ) do you really need all that gear ? Remember the first gear is the same gen 1 and gen 2 , the other 5 gears ar lower on the new zx14r .. I would start off with something like 17/45 .. That would be like a 16/41 on the old zx14 but the other 5 gears would still be lower than the old zx14 ..
Smokin, if I start out at 45 and have to go up, I would be adding links, if 51 doesn't work I can always cut some off.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:14 PM
next question, will the Gen I rear sprocket fit a Gen II?
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posted November 21, 2011 04:16 PM
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next question, will the Gen I rear sprocket fit a Gen II?
wee
I've been wondering that myself...............looks like your gonna be the one to let us know 
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posted November 21, 2011 04:18 PM
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Stock gearing/tire will do more than 186, if my experience with the old 14 applies.
That is certain.
Shane
Shane the new zx has a different trans .. First gear works out the same with 17/42 ... The other 5 gears are lower than the old zx14 .. it has been said the bike will run out of gear at 186 ( no more top speed limiter needed on the new bike ) ..
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posted November 21, 2011 04:19 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Nov 2011 00:20
I know that is what someone has said, I guess we will see.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:19 PM
BTW...........I been meaning to ask, why do you think is the reason you run faster with such low gearing...........do you think you it makes you more consistent or is there another reason?
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posted November 21, 2011 04:23 PM
Wee with you new wizbang Mac arm it will have 6 inches of adjustment ...You could put any gear on the bike with that much adjustment to play with ..
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posted November 21, 2011 04:25 PM
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BTW...........I been meaning to ask, why do you think is the reason you run faster with such low gearing...........do you think you it makes you more consistent or is there another reason?
at 210 pounds it helps move quicker the bike from a dead stop, the extra torque will help me too.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:26 PM
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Stock gearing/tire will do more than 186, if my experience with the old 14 applies.
That is certain.
Shane
Shane the new zx has a different trans .. First gear works out the same with 17/42 ... The other 5 gears are lower than the old zx14 .. it has been said the bike will run out of gear at 186 ( no more top speed limiter needed on the new bike ) ..
You think those changes will make THAT much difference in top speed?............1 tooth on the rear sprocket seems pretty minor and the other change seemed similarly small............plus I think the Gen 1 Zx 14's couldnt pull the stock gearing anyway and needed to be geared down to achieve to speed right?
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posted November 21, 2011 04:27 PM
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Wee with you new wizbang Mac arm it will have 6 inches of adjustment ...You could put any gear on the bike with that much adjustment to play with ..
yep, but I'm going big to start lol
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posted November 21, 2011 04:27 PM
17/47 was good for mine at 179 hp, but when I got up to 190 hp I think I would have went quicker with the 45 in the rear. I think if I were you wee, go with a 46. Smokin, he usually run 1/8 th mile so he wont run out of gear no matter what.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:33 PM
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17/47 was good for mine at 179 hp, but when I got up to 190 hp I think I would have went quicker with the 45 in the rear. I think if I were you wee, go with a 46. Smokin, he usually run 1/8 th mile so he wont run out of gear no matter what.
I will be 70", are you saying that because you wheelied more?
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posted November 21, 2011 04:52 PM
Edited By: JZX on 22 Nov 2011 00:53
First gear was too damn short- it did come up more, but when I set my shock up like smokin advised, it stayed low enuff to go wot. The problem was it was out of the power band too quick and I could see it in my short times. I also had to run brock spacers becuase it was trying to go thru the the clutch with that kinda gear and the power it made. I picked up mph in the 1/8 th when I changed the clutch and put in the spacers. I know the new bike you are getting will have an extra spring, but that thing is going to make alot more power and tq then mine, plus the shorter tranny ratio. I think that bike is going to pull your weight just fine with a 46- monster torque bro.
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posted November 21, 2011 04:53 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 22 Nov 2011 01:01
Wee, go for it. I just set my 145lb friend (with a mildly biuld motor, 68" wb) up with 17/51.
his 60' improved over a tenth. 17/51 ran the same mph as 17/46 and 16/43 but the e/ts (60, 330, 1/8) were much better with 17/51. He has had to pull his bike apart twice in 2 month at the track to prove he didn't have nitrous hiden.
oh yeah, you should go ahead get a good shock. You are going to need it. I suggest a litz revalve.
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posted November 21, 2011 05:00 PM
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First gear was too damn short- it did come up more, but when I set my shock up like smokin advised, it stayed low enuff to go wot. The problem was it was out of the power band too quick and I could see it in my short times. I also had to run brock spacers becuase it was trying to go thru the the clutch with that kinda gear and the power it made. I picked up mph in the 1/8 th when I changed the clutch and put in the spacers. I know the new bike you are getting will have an extra spring, but that thing is going to make alot more power and tq then mine, plus the shorter tranny ratio. I think that bike is going to pull your weight just fine with a 46- monster torque bro.
lets see what Lucky14 says, I remember when I went 16-48 on my gen 1, was told it would hit the limiter before the 1/4 mile lol, turned out to be perfect for me, I think a few other guys followed and they were happy with it, gen 2 is different.
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posted November 21, 2011 05:02 PM
My quickest ET came with a 1.47, on the stock head I was going 1.41's and on my way to sub 1.4's, till I ran the milled head. I would have definately went quicker with longer gear.
But we may be forgetting one thing- I was around 65"...
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posted November 21, 2011 05:08 PM
BTW, I pulled the chip out of the autoshifter and it ran 127 and 155 compared to a best mph with the chip in at 126 and 153. Even though I wheelied and had to chop, mph was better. If I run a chip again it needs to be 11k instead of 10.6 or 10.8.
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posted November 21, 2011 05:15 PM
a 17/51 is the same gear as a 16/48 which is a good gear for a heavy guy, and if it's too low. Just go up one tooth on the front.
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posted November 21, 2011 05:23 PM
a 17/51Wood gave you a top speed of 166 with the gen 1, I have not feared that top speed with the new transmission.
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posted November 21, 2011 06:56 PM
There is no way to know what this bike is going to need without taking to the track and see how it acts first .. Buying a high dollar Shock and you haven't tested the stock one yet ? The stock shock has been revalved for the new zx14r , i would try it first before calling it no good ..
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posted November 21, 2011 07:26 PM
70" as hard as he leaves. Wee will see....
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posted November 21, 2011 07:27 PM
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70" as hard as he leaves. Wee will see....
yes wee will
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