Lucky14
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posted October 22, 2011 02:07 PM
Exhaust Head Pipe angle is different - Brock - did you notice???
Exhaust pipe on #4 takes a dramatic turn downward, which can't be to improve flow. Can it be that the radiator is thicker and there is not as much room for a large-radius pipe?
Will the "old" Brock pipes really fit, or is that just based on physically fitting into the head?
I'm ready to order an exhaust, but not wanting to find that it needs a quick bend to miss something.
The pic on Brock's site is photoshopped, so that proves nothing. Either that or the wheel is badly bent. 
2012 pipe looks like it goes straight down:
"Old" 14:
My 08 with the SMEG:
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Lucky14
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posted October 22, 2011 02:38 PM
Different look from the front. Do the 14R head pipes look HUGE or is that just me?
Maybe Brock.s question something to the tune of "What if the factory exhaust is so good that I can only get another 5 HP - would you buy Brock's?" has merit...................
"Old" 14 (yes, I am avoiding Gen 1, Gen 2, Ver. 1.2, etc. :
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posted October 22, 2011 02:43 PM
Pre production bike might be dummied up for pics. Looks like some dents in it as well.
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Lucky14
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posted October 22, 2011 02:57 PM
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Pre production bike might be dummied up for pics. Looks like some dents in it as well.
These pics are downloaded straight off the Kawasaki.com web site. I just cropped them to zoom in on the relevant item. Your guess is as good as mine on what they used for a model.............................
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posted October 22, 2011 03:30 PM
Any chance it is an optical illusion due to the different "vents" on the fairing?
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RICH CRAFT 1
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posted October 22, 2011 04:13 PM
hey lucky, if you notice the new 14 has two fans, this could be a problem but the one on the other side doesn't seem to pose a problem for the old models? guests will just have to wait and see.
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Lucky14
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posted October 22, 2011 08:27 PM
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hey lucky, if you notice the new 14 has two fans, this could be a problem but the one on the other side doesn't seem to pose a problem for the old models? guests will just have to wait and see.
Ken
......... but I want to get the new exhaust now!
..........but you wouldn't know that, would you?
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posted October 24, 2011 12:55 PM
Guys,
Our Alien Head on the Roaring Toyz ZX-14R at the Dealer Show was not photo-shopped... but you might want to go to our site and check our stainless offerings. As we learn, we must adjust accordingly. Yes, the current systems will fit, physically, but we are already adjusting some areas to compensate for changes that Kawasaki made from a performance standpoint. I won't be elaborating in any further detail as this is a competitive industry. I'm sure you understand.
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Lucky14
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posted November 02, 2011 04:56 PM
 Edited By: Lucky14 on 3 Nov 2011 01:05
Looks like the #4 pipe takes a radical turn downward to miss FAN #2 ???
Could be the angle of the pic - IDK ...................
My 08 with Street Meg:
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posted November 02, 2011 06:55 PM
I'm wondering how close the ct will be to the radiator, if I have to hammer on it to make it fit I will not be happy. And I don't want to shim the radiator out for clearance.
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posted November 02, 2011 07:36 PM
Edited By: Brock on 3 Nov 2011 03:45
The redesigned stainless system is already installed, dyno tested and working great!
... no hammer required
The CT and stainless systems are nearly identical in construction, I believe its an illusion... but we are not to that system yet. We are attacking problems as fast as we can based on sales volume and info. from trusted sources.
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posted November 03, 2011 05:15 AM
Brock,
You mentioned the following.... installed and dyno tested....
So, what are the results of the testing......
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posted November 03, 2011 11:44 AM
Like I said... working great.
I can't give you 'real' numbers because we are not using my dyno AND we are using a pre-production machine.
I have been in this game long enough to know that none of us will really know what's going on until the crates start getting distributed off of the boats and start making their way to dealers.
I can say that I see nothing to dispute any of the information presented from KMC at this point. Disclaimer: using comparative data to previous models with similar configurations (gathered by sources other than myself) as a reference, assuming this pre-production unit is truly a representative sample.
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posted November 03, 2011 12:01 PM
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I can say that I see nothing to dispute any of the information presented from KMC at this point. Disclaimer: using comparative data to previous models with similar configurations (gathered by sources other than myself) as a reference, assuming this pre-production unit is truly a representative sample.
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Dang Brock, you turned into a lawyer mid post.
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posted November 03, 2011 01:52 PM
I read what he says as new bike runs same as a current 14 with 4mm stroke with ported head.
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posted November 04, 2011 10:42 AM
Edited By: Brock on 4 Nov 2011 21:28
Video: 2012 ZX-14R Alien Head 2 Exhaust Track Testing – with Power Commander Mapping
Special thanks to Bob, Kory, Brad and the rest of my friends at Roaring Toyz and ‘Turbo’ Johnny Dobrin for offering is riding skills.
A PCV was fitted to the injectors ONLY (the main harness plug of the new 14 is similar to a Triumph and will not work as Smokin passed on in a previous thread) so a map could be created to match the exhaust.
All commented on the sound of the new AH2… the additional pipe volume for our dual filament exhaust packing produces a smoother tone and the full through diameter lets the new beast breath. Redesigned headpipes not only match the revised exhaust ports, they install easier.
Allowances were made to push the radiator away from the pipe to allow for #4 pipe clearance and additional fan near cylinders 1 and 2.
The new production version will be available in 10 days to 2 weeks. We are going to do what we always do with all new bikes, a short production run. If you want to be one of the first to have one, Call to place your name on the list; they won’t be on our site for a little while longer 937-912-0054.
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posted November 04, 2011 07:21 PM
A guy from the other ZX-14 site just bought a black one.He posted pictures today;
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posted November 05, 2011 08:51 AM
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A guy from the other ZX-14 site just bought a black one.He posted pictures today;
Craig
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posted November 05, 2011 12:32 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 5 Nov 2011 20:50
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A guy from the other ZX-14 site just bought a black one.He posted pictures today;
Craig
Send me a link: bmail@brocksperformance.com
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Link sent
http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/56917-new-zx-14r.html
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posted November 05, 2011 01:07 PM
Clicky........
http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/56917-new-zx-14r.html
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posted November 05, 2011 01:30 PM
And the guy doesn't even plan to dyno it, what a waste.
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posted November 05, 2011 06:35 PM
no R on it??? :S
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posted November 06, 2011 03:28 PM
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Allowances were made to push the radiator away from the pipe to allow for #4 pipe clearance and additional fan near cylinders 1 and 2.
I'm still not sure what this means. Is it?
a) The radiator has to be shimmed away from the pipe? If so, how much?
b) The pipe is designed to be a bolt-on and misses the radiator and fans?
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posted November 06, 2011 03:43 PM
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Allowances were made to push the radiator away from the pipe to allow for #4 pipe clearance and additional fan near cylinders 1 and 2.
I'm still not sure what this means. Is it?
a) The radiator has to be shimmed away from the pipe? If so, how much?
b) The pipe is designed to be a bolt-on and misses the radiator and fans?
You have to shim the lower Rad bracket out a 1/4 of an inch and it will clear .. Other than that it bolts right up ..
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posted November 06, 2011 03:59 PM
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Allowances were made to push the radiator away from the pipe to allow for #4 pipe clearance and additional fan near cylinders 1 and 2.
I'm still not sure what this means. Is it?
a) The radiator has to be shimmed away from the pipe? If so, how much?
b) The pipe is designed to be a bolt-on and misses the radiator and fans?
You have to shim the lower Rad bracket out a 1/4 of an inch and it will clear .. Other than that it bolts right up ..
Thanks, Smokin!
Hey, wait a minute ............ How do you know this?
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