posted October 14, 2011 12:06 PM
Edited By: Brock on 14 Oct 2011 20:31
Brock's 2012 ZX-14R Test Philosophy... Can somebody please tell me WHY anyone would EVER go to the RACE TRACK and NOT try to go AS FAST as possible?
You can answer, but you are preaching to the choir because I won’t listen… I also won’t bracket race; the very first time I had to put on my brakes to win a race, I knew it wasn’t for me and began the process to obtain my professional license. I will PAY FULL PRICE to bracket race on a Saturday night at my home track, to get a couple practice passes in, and LEAVE or intentionally RED LIGHT or BREAK OUT so I can go home and watch TV before I do anything less than better my previous best pass.
If that makes sense to you, welcome to Brock and Brock’s Performance.
You guys can laugh all you want at how fast my BMW’s run; they are stock with bolt-on's. My $1500 tear down bet has been in effect for 20 years and it goes for Diary 1, Chronic, Christine and the Performance Center BMW. Question my integrity if these engines are stock with no nitrous… NO PROBLEM > bring your favorite expert to inspect the parts, $1500 (per bike) an afternoon and we will tear down ANY AND EVERY ONE YOU LIKE.
I tested the BMW in stock form in the AMA Dragbike SuperSport class before we got our second bike. YOU CAN’T RIDE THEM – Ryan Schnitz crashed Christine the first race. 200+ HP on a stock, super-short 1000 chassis is a waste of time. No mere mortal can go fast – we had to put an arm on it to use the power. It’s not a hard thing to figure out… that much power, so little weight - it’s the only way to use that bike. FYI: Dystany Spurlock receives ZERO HELP from me in 2011 and I’ve never seen her bike in person. She has an AKRO pipe, no power commander and stock wheels--- she has no way to even tune it (or competent people to help her) and STILL ran high 8.40’s in good weather in the spring. No one even looks at her clutch, much less tunes her suspension or makes her bike perfect like ours. 8.50’s and 60’s are commonplace on BMW’s in the Southeast **WITH A GOOD RIDER**.
As far as the new 14R goes. I LOVE stock wheelbase racing and fully intend to start there… but I WILL MOST CERTAINLY EXTRACT EVERY SINGLE HUNDREDTH OF A SECOND/MPH FROM IT BEFORE ALL IS SAID AND DONE > because I am A RACER at HEART and that’s what we do. Not to mention it’s good for business. Lee Pritchard has FLOWN on his 14’s, just by extending them and using our stock wheelbase formula from the Diaries. I rarely lengthen my street bikes, I’m too lazy and my business takes all of my time. It was simply a must on the BMW. BUT, it’s also necessary now at the drag strip with the addition of the BST’s… the lighter front wheel weight and increased overall acceleration HURTS ET’S in stock wheelbase form. My BST testing on Diary 1 turned it into a stock wheelbase unicycle! But WOW, it really does feel 100 lbs. lighter on the street.
If you have ever purchased a product from my company, spoken to my staff or read our private info. We have a simple rule: do EXACTLY what we say and you will go as fast as possible, vary from our combination and slow down accordingly. It DOES sound arrogant, but I have a 15 year history in the special machine/test industry and 4 National Championships in the SuperSport class (stock engine/wheelbase-based racing) to back up our words. This is more than a business or hobby, it’s a passion and I treat it like an art as well as a science. I LOVE this STUFF!
I also bring in the best riders, on the best tracks and I consider myself a pretty competent tuner. But if you go to our YouTube page, watch my employee’s run side by side 9.28’s on stock wheelbase Busa’s and 14’s at our home track (860 ft altitude- 2200 ft corrected) How? They follow our own guidelines.
Soooo, to answer your question – yes, when/if I get a bike. I will start out stock wheelbase… then throw the kitchen sink of Brock’s Performance products at it. I have bills to pay and I do that by SELLING PRODUCT. No one pays me to write a single word in forums or in print. You guys like to act like I’m a heavy hitter in the industry… well look who DID NOT receive a bike early for product development (again) and still does not have one on the way – nothing but words at this point. If you want me to test one, let people know. Let your dealer know, e-mail Kawasaki – whatever you have to do to get the word out. I’m really not interested in trying to buy one before winter; it’s already hard enough to get through it in this industry.
FYI: for being so “big” we only have eight employees at Brock’s Performance. I simply don’t have much time to spend in forums and rarely answer PM's. I watch my personal and our company Facebook pages and answer my personal e-mails Bmail@BrocksPerformance.com . If you need to get with me on something, feel free - I ALWAYS reply – It just might not be instantly.
I will try to look in here and reply also as much as I can. So if you would like to ask for something in particular, test wise, or would just like to voice your opinion for towards or against me testing the new 14... speak up!
posted October 14, 2011 12:19 PM
One more thing: We have already begun developing prototype exhaust parts to test on the new 14. We know from experience that power levels above 200 RWHP require special considerations, but the reality is that there simply are not enough machines at this level to warrant additional development. Since we have always leaned towards an ‘oversized’ configuration to maximize ram air efficiency, we have held an advantage with the Big Bore market already… but, we also know that some of our systems are better suited for the 200+ HP market than others – so we are committing to address this issue in anticipation of the larger volume of these bikes which will now be prowling the streets in the form of the 14R.
quote:One more thing: We have already begun developing prototype exhaust parts to test on the new 14. We know from experience that power levels above 200 RWHP require special considerations, but the reality is that there simply are not enough machines at this level to warrant additional development. Since we have always leaned towards an ‘oversized’ configuration to maximize ram air efficiency, we have held an advantage with the Big Bore market already… but, we also know that some of our systems are better suited for the 200+ HP market than others – so we are committing to address this issue in anticipation of the larger volume of these bikes which will now be prowling the streets in the form of the 14R.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
LOL, told ya hehe, please no titanium, I'm a simple man.
posted October 14, 2011 01:58 PM
Brocks Performance customer service is second to none. Their products are very, very well made, and the craftsmanship is a thing of beauty.
Trust me on this.
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posted October 14, 2011 02:15 PM
I guess I allready have my pipe.When I buy a 14R in a few years I'll put the stock exhaust back on
Craig
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posted October 14, 2011 02:39 PM
I'm looking forward to your new diaries. Thanks for doing the work, and plz throw the whole parts book at the 14r. I'm curious to see how it compares to the other bikes.
posted October 14, 2011 03:04 PM
The Dairy you wrote on the 2006 ZX14 was very informative and couldn't wait for the next update to it. Looking forward to the same treatment for the ZX14R Do what you do Brock!
posted October 14, 2011 03:40 PM
Edited By: Brock on 14 Oct 2011 23:41
The Ti and stainless systems are nearly identical in construction! It cracks me up that guys get hung up over a couple of horsepower when the price difference will buy SOOOOO many test and tune days at the drag strip, which is what most guys need far more desperately.
It’s like the weight of the bike… we ADD LEAD to go faster! It just depends on where you add it. If you guys had the many thousands of passes that me and my teams have documented in the last 30 years (damn, I sound OLD), you would sit back and just shake you head at some of the ridiculous shit you come up with.
Please understand that I’m not trying to be disrespectful! Some guys just don’t know and I have dedicated my life and my company to educating people to help them enjoy the sport I love. There are too many people in our industry who don’t think this way and it turns people off, so they leave…. I hate that.
Unfortunately, I’m not personally in a position to be a philanthropist… so I need to generate revenue to pay my overhead and employees. That’s where product sales come in. I try to mix both by shooting straight and doing my best to educate consumers about a particular bike, while simultaneously performing our product R&D and increasing our information database. In an industry which has declined steadily (and rapidly) over the last 10 years, we have never had a down year (knocking on wood right now!), it looks like our formula is working – so I’m sticking to it.
quote:The Ti and stainless systems are nearly identical in construction! It cracks me up that guys get hung up over a couple of horsepower when the price difference will buy SOOOOO many test and tune days at the drag strip, which is what most guys need far more desperately.
It’s like the weight of the bike… we ADD LEAD to go faster! It just depends on where you add it. If you guys had the many thousands of passes that me and my teams have documented in the last 30 years (damn, I sound OLD), you would sit back and just shake you head at some of the ridiculous shit you come up with.
Please understand that I’m not trying to be disrespectful! Some guys just don’t know and I have dedicated my life and my company to educating people to help them enjoy the sport I love. There are too many people in our industry who don’t think this way and it turns people off, so they leave…. I hate that.
Unfortunately, I’m not personally in a position to be a philanthropist… so I need to generate revenue to pay my overhead and employees. That’s where product sales come in. I try to mix both by shooting straight and doing my best to educate consumers about a particular bike, while simultaneously performing our product R&D and increasing our information database. In an industry which has declined steadily (and rapidly) over the last 10 years, we have never had a down year (knocking on wood right now!), it looks like our formula is working – so I’m sticking to it.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but it sounds like you are laughing at me wanting one of your best pipes. Just added $100 yeah that's funny haha. Now you are making another pipe for the 14, will you be laughing when I buy that because I want the max power pipe you have? be laughing all the way to the bank?
posted October 14, 2011 04:01 PM
I will testify, everything that Brock has sold and told me has worked.
BLK ICE
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quote:The Ti and stainless systems are nearly identical in construction! It cracks me up that guys get hung up over a couple of horsepower when the price difference will buy SOOOOO many test and tune days at the drag strip, which is what most guys need far more desperately.
It’s like the weight of the bike… we ADD LEAD to go faster! It just depends on where you add it. If you guys had the many thousands of passes that me and my teams have documented in the last 30 years (damn, I sound OLD), you would sit back and just shake you head at some of the ridiculous shit you come up with.
Please understand that I’m not trying to be disrespectful! Some guys just don’t know and I have dedicated my life and my company to educating people to help them enjoy the sport I love. There are too many people in our industry who don’t think this way and it turns people off, so they leave…. I hate that.
Unfortunately, I’m not personally in a position to be a philanthropist… so I need to generate revenue to pay my overhead and employees. That’s where product sales come in. I try to mix both by shooting straight and doing my best to educate consumers about a particular bike, while simultaneously performing our product R&D and increasing our information database. In an industry which has declined steadily (and rapidly) over the last 10 years, we have never had a down year (knocking on wood right now!), it looks like our formula is working – so I’m sticking to it.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but it sounds like you are laughing at me wanting one of your best pipes. Just added $100 yeah that's funny haha. Now you are making another pipe for the 14, will you be laughing when I buy that because I want the max power pipe you have? be laughing all the way to the bank?
wee
Wee i didn't read it that way.. As many times i have talked to Brock he has never made fun of anyone or talked down to anyone , He is just not the type of guy ..
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posted October 14, 2011 06:25 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 15 Oct 2011 03:03
Guys i have been talking to Brock over the last few weeks ..Brock had got me the ok from Kawi to be at the dealer show so i could report back to you guys on Bikeland .. I was unable to go because of my health .. I wanted to go and it killed me that i could not go .. Brock was upset that i could not go .. He felt the info on the new zx14r should come from someone Bikeland members know and trust .. I agree with him on that and i would have given you the truth as i saw it ... Problem is they (kawi) didn't give Brock any info , You guys saw the Video were Brock had to pry info out of the Kawi Rep .. If i had been there i would have got the same shoe shine that Brock got .. Understand that Brock is upset with the lack of info just like you and me .. Kawi gives him no bikes to test , Brock has to go the the dealer a fork out cash just like us .. Kawi offers him no support and that in my book is just wrong .. Nobody did more for the Gen 1 zx14 than Brock ..
Brock said he he would be all over the new zx14r as soon as he can get his hands on one .. You can take that statement to the bank ..
If you want to speed things up Email mother Kawi and tell them to get Brock a ZX14R right now for testing !!!!
Here is that video ..
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quote:Guys i have been talking to Brock over the last few weeks ..Brock had got me the ok from Kawi to be at the dealer show so i could report back to you guys on Bikeland .. I was unable to go because of my health .. I wanted to go and it killed me that i could not go .. Brock was upset that i could not go .. He felt the info on the new zx14r should come from someone Bikeland members know and trust .. I agree with him on that and i would have given you the truth as i saw it ... Problem is they (kawi) didn't give Brock any info , You guys saw the Video were Brock had to pry info out of the Kawi Rep .. If i had been there i would have got the same shoe shine that Brock got .. Understand that Brock is upset with the lack of info just like you and me .. Kawi gives him no bikes to test , Brock has to go the the dealer a fork out cash just like us .. Kawi offers him no support and that in my book is just wrong .. Nobody did more of the Gen 1 zx14 than Brock ..
Brock said he he would be all over the new zx14r as soon as he can get his hands on one .. You can take that statement to the bank ..
If you want to speed things up Email mother Kawi and tell them to get Brock a ZX14R right now for testing !!!!
Here is that video ..
he said in the video that no abs for us? wtf...is this guy really kawaski rep.? he looks like he has no clue what is going on?
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quote:Guys i have been talking to Brock over the last few weeks ..Brock had got me the ok from Kawi to be at the dealer show so i could report back to you guys on Bikeland .. I was unable to go because of my health .. I wanted to go and it killed me that i could not go .. Brock was upset that i could not go .. He felt the info on the new zx14r should come from someone Bikeland members know and trust .. I agree with him on that and i would have given you the truth as i saw it ... Problem is they (kawi) didn't give Brock any info , You guys saw the Video were Brock had to pry info out of the Kawi Rep .. If i had been there i would have got the same shoe shine that Brock got .. Understand that Brock is upset with the lack of info just like you and me .. Kawi gives him no bikes to test , Brock has to go the the dealer a fork out cash just like us .. Kawi offers him no support and that in my book is just wrong .. Nobody did more of the Gen 1 zx14 than Brock ..
Brock said he he would be all over the new zx14r as soon as he can get his hands on one .. You can take that statement to the bank ..
If you want to speed things up Email mother Kawi and tell them to get Brock a ZX14R right now for testing !!!!
Here is that video ..
he said in the video that no abs for us? wtf...is this guy really kawaski rep.? he looks like he has no clue what is going on?
Oh i think he knows everything about the new zx14r but for some reason when the HP question is asked he goes into coma.. Why would Kawi be so quite about this ? Did they down grade the numbers to keep the USA Gov out of it .. Maybe the fear what would happen if they told us it's 220 and not 210 .. Point is we will not know till people like Brock get one of these bikes on the dyno .. Ricky said it feels like a lot more HP than Kawi is claiming ... Let hope he is right ..
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posted October 14, 2011 10:06 PM
After reading everyones posts, I feel that I should comment:
-Brock has a business to run, yeah he produces some good products ( I have them on my bike)
-He also has a good philosiphy on sellling his products... No one in the industry has the customer assistance like he does...
-Do I think Kawi or Suz should provide him bikes or assistance to produce products for the vehicles they create.... NO.... He has created a market for him self it's called BUSINESS.
Would it be helpful and reduce time, yes but with the ecomony the way that it is.... it has become everyperson for itself.... I applaude Kawi for stepping up and continue to produce better products and provide a motorcycle that riders/racers wants.....
Brock, are you producing a new exhaust for the 2012 zx14 or are you planning to sell exisiting exhaust pipes for this model zx14? I noticed that you changed your year model on all exisiting zx14 exhausts systems. I don't want to purchase a current pipe and down the road find that you have a new pipe that produces more power?
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quote:Can somebody please tell me WHY anyone would EVER go to the RACE TRACK and NOT try to go AS FAST as possible?
You can answer, but you are preaching to the choir because I won’t listen… I also won’t bracket race; the very first time I had to put on my brakes to win a race,
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
if you had not been sandbagging ..you would not had needed to put on the brakes..
good luck@ beating larry mcbride
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quote:Can somebody please tell me WHY anyone would EVER go to the RACE TRACK and NOT try to go AS FAST as possible?
You can answer, but you are preaching to the choir because I won’t listen… I also won’t bracket race; the very first time I had to put on my brakes to win a race, I knew it wasn’t for me and began the process to obtain my professional license. I will PAY FULL PRICE to bracket race on a Saturday night at my home track, to get a couple practice passes in, and LEAVE or intentionally RED LIGHT or BREAK OUT so I can go home and watch TV before I do anything less than better my previous best pass.
Favorite quote of all time!!!!
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quote:After reading everyones posts, I feel that I should comment:
-Brock has a business to run, yeah he produces some good products ( I have them on my bike)
-He also has a good philosiphy on sellling his products... No one in the industry has the customer assistance like he does...
-Do I think Kawi or Suz should provide him bikes or assistance to produce products for the vehicles they create.... NO.... He has created a market for him self it's called BUSINESS.
Would it be helpful and reduce time, yes but with the ecomony the way that it is.... it has become everyperson for itself.... I applaude Kawi for stepping up and continue to produce better products and provide a motorcycle that riders/racers wants.....
Brock, are you producing a new exhaust for the 2012 zx14 or are you planning to sell exisiting exhaust pipes for this model zx14? I noticed that you changed your year model on all exisiting zx14 exhausts systems. I don't want to purchase a current pipe and down the road find that you have a new pipe that produces more power?
Didn't you not read what he said ? If the new bike makes 200+ hp it may need a larger pipe than what is used now .. Right now we don't know if the bike makes 200 HP or will even need a larger pipe.. If Brock had a new zx14 to test he would find out .. He can't build a pipe and test it if the doesn't have a bike .. It may turn out that the pipe he makes now is the best pipe for the new zx14r .. If its not the best he will build one that is ..
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posted October 15, 2011 07:55 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 15 Oct 2011 16:12
Brocks s-meg, sidewinder, and maybe others are good for 300+ hp. The only reasons to buy a new pipe are if you don't have one, the current pipes will not fit the new zx4r or you just want to have the big money "new new new" pipe on your bike. I like new stuff, but I will not cry if my new pants fit me like my old pants because after all, they fit!
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If this is the case, why change your current listing, and suggest that it will work on the new 14? That's why I asked the question.... I pass it back to you.... Didn't you not read what I said: LOL
posted October 15, 2011 09:56 AM
Probably because the current listing WILL work, but it is not all it could be for the new bike. So if you want a pipe to save you 40lbs (making up the number) right now, you can still buy the old pipe (probably be cheaper too I would guess). Or you can wait and get the new pipe and likely get a couple extra HP with the new design.
quote:The Ti and stainless systems are nearly identical in construction! It cracks me up that guys get hung up over a couple of horsepower when the price difference will buy SOOOOO many test and tune days at the drag strip, which is what most guys need far more desperately.
It’s like the weight of the bike… we ADD LEAD to go faster! It just depends on where you add it. If you guys had the many thousands of passes that me and my teams have documented in the last 30 years (damn, I sound OLD), you would sit back and just shake you head at some of the ridiculous shit you come up with.
Please understand that I’m not trying to be disrespectful! Some guys just don’t know and I have dedicated my life and my company to educating people to help them enjoy the sport I love. There are too many people in our industry who don’t think this way and it turns people off, so they leave…. I hate that.
Unfortunately, I’m not personally in a position to be a philanthropist… so I need to generate revenue to pay my overhead and employees. That’s where product sales come in. I try to mix both by shooting straight and doing my best to educate consumers about a particular bike, while simultaneously performing our product R&D and increasing our information database. In an industry which has declined steadily (and rapidly) over the last 10 years, we have never had a down year (knocking on wood right now!), it looks like our formula is working – so I’m sticking to it.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but it sounds like you are laughing at me wanting one of your best pipes. Just added $100 yeah that's funny haha. Now you are making another pipe for the 14, will you be laughing when I buy that because I want the max power pipe you have? be laughing all the way to the bank?
wee
Wheelie,
Certainly not and my sincere apologies if my statement seemed as though it were pointed at you!
I have a tendency to reply to a general audience after browsing multiple topics – sorry for any confusion.
As far as your comment goes. Our initial development is always with our stainless line, the titanium line is just too damn expensive for most people.
I’m not sure if you saw my post here: Brocks Exhaust Prices But it kills me to have to make some of the decisions I’m forced with today. $100 is not easy to come by, but had I not changed the way we do business – the retail price would have skyrocketed past $2k. All due to BS (value of the dollar/exchange rate/earthquake/Honda and Toyota will spend whatever it takes to rebuild their factories etc.) that none of us have control over.
I haven’t been in these forums for a long time. I’ve always said “I wish you could see me smile” when I type some of the stuff that comes out of my head. I’m an ‘A Type’ personality and an engineer --- there isn’t much ‘gray’ in my world, so I come off as brash sometimes .
We are trying to keep our prices as low as possible and are working on alternative ideas over the winter which could help even more.
posted October 15, 2011 10:56 AM
Edited By: Brock on 15 Oct 2011 18:57
quote:After reading everyones posts, I feel that I should comment:
-Brock has a business to run, yeah he produces some good products ( I have them on my bike)
-He also has a good philosiphy on sellling his products... No one in the industry has the customer assistance like he does...
-Do I think Kawi or Suz should provide him bikes or assistance to produce products for the vehicles they create.... NO.... He has created a market for him self it's called BUSINESS.
Would it be helpful and reduce time, yes but with the ecomony the way that it is.... it has become everyperson for itself.... I applaude Kawi for stepping up and continue to produce better products and provide a motorcycle that riders/racers wants.....
Brock, are you producing a new exhaust for the 2012 zx14 or are you planning to sell exisiting exhaust pipes for this model zx14? I noticed that you changed your year model on all exisiting zx14 exhausts systems. I don't want to purchase a current pipe and down the road find that you have a new pipe that produces more power?
justtoyz2,
In a single word answer… progress.
As pointed out above, we have some bikes with up to 300 HP running around with our systems and they run GREAT! But in this industry, that doesn’t mean that we just stop trying to do better. In fact, when times got tough over the last 2 years and everyone else stopped advertising and locked up their checkbooks – what did you see from Brock’s? Hell, hopefully you see us in your sleep if I did MY JOB correctly!!
The new 14R SHOULD be a new plateau to work with: 210-215 at the rear wheel AND ram air should need special consideration to maximize performance. BUT, we have a fantastic set-up now and improving on it won’t be easy. Another problem is material availability AND fitment – just because a special whiz bang computer program calls out for XXX diameter tubing… doesn’t mean it will fit between the engine and fairing.
We have already started on a potential replacement muffler for our most popular system.
Special Note to Alien Head and owners: While AH owners love the look and sound, the reality is that we reverse taper the baffle from 2.25 inlet to 2.00 outlet to accommodate the Alien Head end cap. This works just fine up to 200 RWHP… +/- a couple. This is the magic number. If you call my staff with a built engine/nitrous etc. They will alert you of this situation and point you towards a 2.25 straight through system (CT Series, StreetMeg, and Gen 4 etc. - for bigger power TiWinder, Sidewinder etc.) FYI: The ShortMeg has the same issue.
Final answer, our current lineup works on the new ZX-14R and even the Alien Head won’t just stop at 200 RWHP on a 215 HP machine…. But, in recent testing on a 216 RWHP 1441 Busa with a CT Meg --- the power dropped to 208 RWHP with an Alien Head. You can see how I can’t have my name on a situation like this on the new 14R.
posted October 15, 2011 01:52 PM
Brock how much extra horsepower would you speculate you could find in a bigger diameter pipe made specifically for the ZX 14R??
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