3000psi and falling
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posted May 18, 2011 11:32 AM
 Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 18 May 2011 19:35
Dry shot kit by dyno tune
After lots of searching and research on dry nitrous I could not find an answer to my question.
Some time ago I bought the two bottle dynotune dry nitrous kit for the 14 with the intension of buying a a power commander and another equipment needed, but other things took priority and I'm still power commander less.
The seller claims you can use this kit safely on a showroom stock 14, and that with the smaller jets included (15,30,40) the air temp sensor in the box will be cooled by the nitrious adding enough fuel for these smaller shotsl. I would like to install this with the 15 shot, for some occasional use.
After all I've read on this subject I feel the 15 shot would be safe on a stock 14, but like always I would appreciate any opions, warnings and input on this.
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1badzx12r
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posted May 18, 2011 11:38 AM
without some kind of A/F meter .. its like pissing in the wind and hope it doesn't blow back into your face.. IMHO
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posted May 18, 2011 01:01 PM
I have the dynotune setup with the 2.5 pound bottle, mounted the nitrous tubes into each of the air ram tubes (mixes up air and n20 better). That will flow nitrous over the entire area around the EFI sensor cooling the airbox and making the ecu add more fuel. Thats the reason they make it like this. You can use the biggest jet, which I am without a problem. Any bigger jets than the 40 and you risk to much nitrous and not enough fuel. Dry kits are nice for short shots. I am using a PCIII but dont have it mapped for extra fuel for the nitrous.
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posted May 18, 2011 01:18 PM
Edited By: billeason on 18 May 2011 21:19
boom !!!
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I have the dynotune setup with the 2.5 pound bottle, mounted the nitrous tubes into each of the air ram tubes (mixes up air and n20 better). That will flow nitrous over the entire area around the EFI sensor cooling the airbox and making the ecu add more fuel. Thats the reason they make it like this. You can use the biggest jet, which I am without a problem. Any bigger jets than the 40 and you risk to much nitrous and not enough fuel. Dry kits are nice for short shots. I am using a PCIII but dont have it mapped for extra fuel for the nitrous.
40 shot on IAC only. WOW !!
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dragbikercr
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posted May 18, 2011 01:23 PM
bill, IAC?? not sure what that means...sorry.
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LeonidasZX14
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posted May 18, 2011 01:35 PM
Intake air charge
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 18, 2011 02:06 PM
You could only do that with the 15 shot at 900psi or lower bottle pressure. If you have a brocks pipe the track map would be great for the 15.
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posted May 18, 2011 04:38 PM
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You could only do that with the 15 shot at 900psi or lower bottle pressure. If you have a brocks pipe the track map would be great for the 15.
Well if he had the track map he would than have the PC3 to tune the bike right lol
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posted May 18, 2011 04:54 PM
if the 14 has a closed element IAT sensor like the 12 does, it wont react fast enough to compensate for a good shot..... i wouldnt go over 15hp without mapping it IMO
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billeason
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posted May 18, 2011 05:46 PM
knowlege
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if the 14 has a closed element IAT sensor like the 12 does, it wont react fast enough to compensate for a good shot..... i wouldnt go over 15hp without mapping it IMO
excellent point KZ. cause that's how the 14 senses intake !!
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kawasakijockey
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posted May 18, 2011 05:56 PM
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You could only do that with the 15 shot at 900psi or lower bottle pressure. If you have a brocks pipe the track map would be great for the 15.
Well if he had the track map he would than have the PC3 to tune the bike right lol
Doh! I forgot he said that...
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1badzx12r
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posted May 18, 2011 06:06 PM
oh boy
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billeason
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posted May 18, 2011 06:10 PM
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You could only do that with the 15 shot at 900psi or lower bottle pressure. If you have a brocks pipe the track map would be great for the 15.
Well if he had the track map he would than have the PC3 to tune the bike right lol
Doh! I forgot he said that...
WE knew what you meant Kaw ! I see another one of those ( it slung a rod out for no reason ) Posts coming real soon LOL
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posted May 18, 2011 06:31 PM
.. To get the A/F right on a zx14 with a 15 shot i add to add 8% , A 30 shot i used 12% more fuel .. If the bottle pressure spikes over 900+ even 12% may not get the job done ..
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01smokes
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posted May 18, 2011 07:29 PM
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.. To get the A/F right on a zx14 with a 15 shot i add to add 8% , A 30 shot i used 12% more fuel .. If the bottle pressure spikes over 900+ even 12% may not get the job done ..
That's assuming your tune is good on motor already...
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posted May 18, 2011 07:36 PM
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.. To get the A/F right on a zx14 with a 15 shot i add to add 8% , A 30 shot i used 12% more fuel .. If the bottle pressure spikes over 900+ even 12% may not get the job done ..
That's assuming your tune is good on motor already...
Very true..
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3000psi and falling
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posted May 19, 2011 09:38 PM
My bike seems to be on the edge of lean as it is, When my bmc air filter is clean I get some low rpm spark ping under load, when the filter gets dirty and rectrictive the ping goes away.
I may just wait till I can get a pc5
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 19, 2011 09:41 PM
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My bike seems to be on the edge of lean as it is, When my bmc air filter is clean I get some low rpm spark ping under load, when the filter gets dirty and rectrictive the ping goes away.
I may just wait till I can get a pc5
If not you will be building a motor ill bet on that.
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3000psi and falling
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posted May 19, 2011 10:23 PM
If I cannot afford a pc5 right now, I sure as hell cannot afford to rebuild my motor! lol I'll just hold off a bit..
Ive done a few things to improve my bikes speed, 16,43 vortex sprockets, ground a corner off the sensor nut, lowered bike 1.5" front and rear, ditched some weight, rubber inslation, belly pan and bracket, helmet locks, tool kit, factory fender, along with my slip on r-77 (Ti) thats a lot of lost weight all added up, and should be good for the few bike lenghts Im looking for.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted May 20, 2011 03:50 AM
I put a 40 hp dry unit on Beths bike a couple years ago - I added 10% at WOT, the
bike has been perfect. While she does not go out and race - she does enjoy
hitting the button when we get out on a ride.
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horsinaround
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posted May 20, 2011 06:56 PM
I wouldnt do it but there are quite a few bikes in my area spraying 40 with no fuel added, fogging the ram air tubes as someone already said. They have been togther for years and not popped yet. I wouldnt do it but others have.
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