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posted May 03, 2011 06:36 AM
Need help with clutch
I'm so pissed at this bike I can hardly put it into words. Please help me figure this thing out so I can get to racing. I wanted to tune the bike tonight, but the clutch is not functioning properly.
Here's the symptoms.
The clutch works as it should (as far as I can tell) with the sprocket cover off. When in gear, it will hold, the rear tire. When in neutral, it spins freely. When I put the sprocket cover on, the clutch lever is as hard as a rock. It won't move at all. I've taken it on and off 3 times now, and I can't figure out why it's binding up. I squeezed it really hard once, and fluid came from around the slave cylinder. I tried bleeding it, but that didn't do any good.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jorgen
  
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bigwil
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posted May 03, 2011 07:43 AM
sounds like the basket cover is in wrong take it off ond turn it
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posted May 03, 2011 09:18 AM
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sounds like the basket cover is in wrong take it off ond turn it
Are you talking about the pressure plate? The hat that sits on top of the clutch pack?
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posted May 03, 2011 09:36 AM
Is the lockup hitting the clutch cover ?? Pull clutch cover and see if it moves, clutch plates should have some play. Arms on lockup maybe hitting cover.
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posted May 03, 2011 10:13 AM
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I'm so pissed at this bike I can hardly put it into words.
better get use to a love and hate relationship .. sounds like your bottoming out on the lockup .. several things ..stack height.. or to long springs and they bottom out ..
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posted May 03, 2011 10:18 AM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 3 May 2011 18:23
looks like your stack height is to big .. seeing the outer fiber tabs are at the end of the outer basket
also what you have for springs ... stock springs is about all you can use .. no spacers either . or you'll may have coil bind
also like the other guy said make sure that the pressure plate seated when you installed it ...
also that inner pusher looks like its way to far into the lock-up .. something don't look right there
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posted May 03, 2011 12:05 PM
yes the presure plate whats your stack hight it should be around 215
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posted May 03, 2011 01:11 PM
The clutch still won't move even with the clutch cover off. So, it has to be stack height (which I don't see how that's possible considering I measured it 3 times at 2.14", or its the springs. The stock springs were too long, so I used the provided shorter soft springs for my static pressure. Maybe I'm still doing something wrong.....
Thanks for all the help.
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posted May 03, 2011 01:27 PM
did you make sure the presure plate was seated right i no if its not you cant disingauge its happen to me before st the track before being in a hurry
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posted May 03, 2011 02:29 PM
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did you make sure the presure plate was seated right i no if its not you cant disingauge its happen to me before st the track before being in a hurry
I don't think my pressure plate is seated correctly. But I've played with it a bunch and I can't get it to sit flush against the clutch pack.
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posted May 03, 2011 02:29 PM
Edited By: gilberjj on 3 May 2011 22:31
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posted May 03, 2011 02:36 PM
Im comparing my clutch to this one here
And I don't think my pressure plate is seating snug like that one is. I think that may be my problem. How am I supposed to seat the PP?
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posted May 03, 2011 02:44 PM
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bigwil
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posted May 03, 2011 02:55 PM
take it off and turn it 1 bolt hole
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posted May 03, 2011 03:02 PM
look at the groves on the back of the pp line them up / you can take the pp and make shure the pusher is in correct
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posted May 03, 2011 04:07 PM
I turned it 5 times and it didn't seat any differently from what I could tell... How do I make sure the pusher is in correctly?
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posted May 03, 2011 04:54 PM
Check page 6-2 in the manual (Good Picture). Hope you find that a little helpful. Unable to copy picture due to my limited computer ability.
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posted May 03, 2011 04:59 PM
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from this video your pressure plates not seated .... just keep turning it until it pushes against the last fiber..
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posted May 03, 2011 05:46 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 4 May 2011 01:46
pressure plate isnt in right. if its like a 12 there are teeth on the pressure plate that fit into the hub if you have the PP indexed correctly. take it off, turn it one bolt hole at a time till the teeth go into the grooves on the hub(the ones the steels fit into)
after that check the air gap between the PP and snowflake
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posted May 03, 2011 07:01 PM
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pressure plate isnt in right. if its like a 12 there are teeth on the pressure plate that fit into the hub if you have the PP indexed correctly. take it off, turn it one bolt hole at a time till the teeth go into the grooves on the hub(the ones the steels fit into)
after that check the air gap between the PP and snowflake
+1 It will help you get it seated if you remove the sprocket cover .. That will take the pressure off the pusher rod and let you line up the teeth on the pressure plate to the basket ..
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posted May 03, 2011 07:08 PM
Oh while you are at it .. PUT that last fiber in line with the rest of the clutches .. That last one is only offset for a wear indicator ..What happens is this , when the clutches wear down the last clutch gets stopped in the basket and will not move .. This will make toast out of the rest of your clutch asap .. By lining them all up you will get much more use of your clutch pack ..
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posted May 03, 2011 08:03 PM
Learned something new again from you Smokin.
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posted May 04, 2011 05:26 AM
Thanks for all the help. My last fiber isn't offset. I learned that from Duane at Cycle Concepts. If I get this figured out, I'll be denoting my bike today.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:10 PM
Ok..... pressure plate is lined up and in the teeth. When I move the lever, the clutch pack moves. YAY!!!! However, now I have new issues. The clutch pack is not disengaging. I can hold the clutch lever in, and the bike with continue to move. WTF!?!?!?! I called my tuner and he said that one time a CBR1000rr was doing the same thing because he too had lined the last fiber up in line. Once, they offset the last fiber, it started working fine again. I tried this, but it's still not working.
WTF!?!?!?
MY STACK HEIGHT IS 2.14"
I don't know what else it could be. I'm leaving in 2 hours, so I need to get this figured out in the next hour. If I can't figure it out, the tuner will have to operate around never having the bike stop! 
Please help me figure this out!
Thanks,
Jorgen
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gilberjj
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posted May 04, 2011 12:18 PM
Just talked with Tim (BigT), he said he always shot for the thinner stack height on his MTC lockup otherwise it would try to creep on him with a thicker stack height. What a PITA! Oh well, at least I have something new to try. I'm going to try to use my 2 clutch packs to try and make a thin clutch pack. Haha, wish me luck!
If you have some advise for me,
give me a call at
(360) 481-8998.
And while I'm back in there, I'm going to change that last fiber inline with the rest.
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