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posted October 22, 2010 07:01 AM
 Edited By: wrongway on 22 Oct 2010 18:04
hand ported ZX-14 head
I ported one of my ZX-14 heads and stuck it on the bike. I kept the stock valves and stock cams. The flow bench was showing an 8-9% increase so I was hoping for a 15-17 hp gain . here is the dyno run form this morningcompared to the stock head/cam runs.... HP numbers are close to the expected gains from flow.
maybe someday I will breakdown and buy race cams , but I just hate blowing that kinda money.
All in all , I am very happy with my low budget project . I have kept the motor build under $4k and got my 200 mph club runs at both maxton and loring.
Roy
  
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posted October 22, 2010 07:50 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Oct 2010 15:52
Roy, I can't seem to see the pic for some reason (tried a couple different pc's/browsers). Can anyone else?
Were the runs done on the same dyno?
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posted October 22, 2010 08:38 AM
I don't see anything either
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posted October 22, 2010 09:46 AM
Nope no picture
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posted October 22, 2010 10:57 AM
It's a tease just like the 14 motor build thread. He's gonna tell you how great it is then once the results come in he's gonna say the customer wants to keep it secret.
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posted October 22, 2010 11:23 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 22 Oct 2010 19:27
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It's a tease just like the 14 motor build thread. He's gonna tell you how great it is then once the results come in he's gonna say the customer wants to keep it secret.
I just got off the Phone with Roy ( wrongway ) He was not at home and tried to post the dyno charts and they didn't post .. Roy said he would repost them when he gets home .. This is Roys bike and Roy did the work , it's not some customers bike ...
What he told me on the phone was the bike picked up HP and TQ all the way from bottom to top with no HP loss anywhere from his home port job .. He picked up 14 HP at peak and that was without adding compression or aftermarket cams .. His motor was making 197 before the head , so it sould be right at 211 HP now ..
Keep in mind Roys map is real fat ( in the 11s AFR ) so that 211 HP numbers was without Ram Air and a real fat LSR map ..
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posted October 22, 2010 12:00 PM
Wow that's not bad at all for a home port job!
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posted October 22, 2010 01:12 PM
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It's a tease just like the 14 motor build thread. He's gonna tell you how great it is then once the results come in he's gonna say the customer wants to keep it secret.
I just got off the Phone with Roy ( wrongway ) He was not at home and tried to post the dyno charts and they didn't post .. Roy said he would repost them when he gets home .. This is Roys bike and Roy did the work , it's not some customers bike ...
What he told me on the phone was the bike picked up HP and TQ all the way from bottom to top with no HP loss anywhere from his home port job .. He picked up 14 HP at peak and that was without adding compression or aftermarket cams .. His motor was making 197 before the head , so it sould be right at 211 HP now ..
Keep in mind Roys map is real fat ( in the 11s AFR ) so that 211 HP numbers was without Ram Air and a real fat LSR map ..
I was just messing around. I knew it was his bike.  I wouldn't be surprised if a few people do send him their heads though.
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posted October 22, 2010 01:46 PM
Edited By: wrongway on 22 Oct 2010 21:51
quote:
I ported one of my ZX-14 heads and stuck it on the bike. I kept the stock valves and stock cams. The flow bench was showing an 8-9% increase so I was hoping for a 15-17 hp gain . here is the dyno run form this morningcompared to the stock head/cam runs.... HP numbers are close to the expected gains from flow.
maybe someday I will breakdown and buy race cams , but I just hate blowing that kinda money.
All in all , I am very happy with my low budget project . I have kept the motor build under $4k and got my 200 mph club runs at both maxton and loring.
Roy
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posted October 22, 2010 01:56 PM
Holy sh@t!! That is one impressive looking dyno run.
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posted October 22, 2010 01:58 PM
Looks good, Roy. Were those both done on the same dyno?
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posted October 22, 2010 02:01 PM
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Looks good, Roy. Were those both done on the same dyno?
both on the same dyno... everything is the same with the exception of the head swap. The map I was using was the map I made at the track and is a bit rich without the ram air.
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posted October 22, 2010 02:03 PM
Great results, and on the cheap! 
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posted October 22, 2010 02:11 PM
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Looks good, Roy. Were those both done on the same dyno?
both on the same dyno... everything is the same with the exception of the head swap. The map I was using was the map I made at the track and is a bit rich without the ram air.
Roy
But everything is not the same. I am not arguing the value or effectiveness of your port job.. but according to the dyno chart the pulls happened at different ambient temps and more importantly.. very different humidity levels. The highest pull happens on the cooler and dryer conditions. Looking at your numbers I can see it is still impressive.. but all things were not equal is all I am saying.
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posted October 22, 2010 02:18 PM
The dyno numbers are corrected for temp and humidity.
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posted October 22, 2010 02:29 PM
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The dyno numbers are corrected for temp and humidity.
Didn't know that.
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posted October 22, 2010 02:31 PM
Good stuff! 
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posted October 22, 2010 05:07 PM
Good job Roy, very impressive!
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posted October 22, 2010 05:48 PM
A little tunning on that A/F and i would bet we would see more than 14 HP .. That thing is pig rich even for ram air ..
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posted October 22, 2010 06:03 PM
the $1000 dollar question ..... how much will cams add ?
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posted October 22, 2010 06:11 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 23 Oct 2010 02:13
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A little tunning on that A/F and i would bet we would see more than 14 HP .. That thing is pig rich even for ram air ..
And put some brocks injector cleaner to them carbon up piston tops and move more air on every stroke ..
way to go roy ..but i'm not getting a dremel
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posted October 22, 2010 06:55 PM
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the $1000 dollar question ..... how much will cams add ?
Roy
That would depend on what cams, and that depends on the bucket size and the throttle body size.
Nice job Roy. Nice pickup!!
I would guess you could pick up 8-10 more hp with cams.
But if you want the big power you need big cams and big buckets.
Here's our head and cams VS a Carpenter head and cams on Rickeys bike.... You can read the whole thread on the drag-bike side. I just posted some preliminary stuff about it tonight. I'll post more details in a day or two.
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posted October 22, 2010 07:19 PM
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the $1000 dollar question ..... how much will cams add ?
Roy
That would depend on what cams, and that depends on the bucket size and the throttle body size.
Nice job Roy. Nice pickup!!
I would guess you could pick up 8-10 more hp with cams.
But if you want the big power you need big cams and big buckets.
I don't think I am that interested in spending alot of money on the bike. I know that I would not be able to compete with the smaller jockeys ,and watching some one else ride my bike just doesn't do much for me.
I was able to reach most of my goals and find out how much easy/cheap HP there is in a ZX14. I hope that this project gives the people here some idea what can be done in their own back yard so they know what the real gains are from a pro built motor. I think I will just put the body work on it and have some fun. I should have a pretty good street/strip bike to play with. I did learn alot about fuel injection , E85 and nitrous that I can use on my next project.
I think I will go back to what I know best , and that is get the camaro ready for Maxton's fastest street car shootout in April:-)
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posted October 23, 2010 04:14 AM
You done good Roy!!
Showing what a basic port cleanup can do for little money.
Good job.
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posted October 23, 2010 09:26 AM
Roy very nice work, continue with that low budget High HP result format. Really the results of your dyno run are impressive, particularly since the correction factor used is "SAE" which is not as generous as "STD" correction factor. IN other words if your dyno run was posted in "STD" CF it would 3~5% higher. Once again nice work.
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