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posted April 24, 2010 05:30 PM
need air filter
I like the oem one, but its just as much as a bmc or k&n. Should I consider one of the aftermarket ones? Or just go with another oem filter?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
  
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Shane661
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posted April 24, 2010 05:32 PM
Get a BMC, it can be cleaned and re-used over and over. 
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LAB3
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posted April 24, 2010 05:55 PM
If you have a 2006/07 get a 2008 metal air filter cover. The plastic one on my 2007
warped and leaked. Still have stock exhaust on? How is the pinging now?
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3000psi and falling
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posted April 24, 2010 06:21 PM
I have the 08, so im good there. And yeah still pinging, ordered new plugs because the ones in there now look kinda sad and are 10,000 miles old. The air filter is worse then I thought to, Im betting all of this along with the cold dry air here is causing the pinging. And I have the r-77 dual slip on system since new with no issues tuning wise.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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3000psi and falling
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posted April 24, 2010 06:22 PM
Ill look into bmc then, thanks
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted April 24, 2010 07:33 PM
BMC rules! 
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3000psi and falling
Zone Head
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posted April 24, 2010 08:06 PM
does it come in a race or street version? I would want the street version right?
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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eklipse636
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posted April 25, 2010 03:46 AM
How much do you go to the track? If you don't go racing very much, and mostly street miles, get the street
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68gts2
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posted April 25, 2010 04:18 AM
3000 did you runn some good injector cleener through her yet? Sounds like you may have some carbon build up that will cause that.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted April 25, 2010 04:42 AM
 Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 25 Apr 2010 12:42
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I have the 08, so im good there. And yeah still pinging, ordered new plugs because the ones in there now look kinda sad and are 10,000 miles old. The air filter is worse then I thought to, Im betting all of this along with the cold dry air here is causing the pinging. And I have the r-77 dual slip on system since new with no issues tuning wise.
You have "pinging" on a stock zx14 engine?
Somthing isnt right here. A stock engine should NEVER ping EVER!!! You have a problem.
I'd be glad to help you figure it out if you like.
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3000psi and falling
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posted April 25, 2010 08:44 AM
Yeah, ive ran a amsoiil P.I. through it. I ran the hell out of it to for about 100 miles with no improvement. Ive pulled the plugs and posted pictures here one my other post, along with the old air filter witch is well used. Ive ordered a new set of plugs, and will pick an air filter off ebay tonight. Today ill finish checking the valve lash as it has about 17k on it and I have not checked them yet.
The pinging started soon as I moved here to Washington from TX, Both places are about sea level, its just much cooler here. The best fuel I can find here is 92, so im under the recomended 95 for this bike. The odd thing is the bike makes much more power than ever before is the since the pinging started. Id appreciate any help. The pinging is most noticeable when quickly rolling into and out of the throttle. If im slow on rolling into the throttle I dont here it..
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted April 25, 2010 12:57 PM
does this bike have stock pistons? Did you buy it new? Has the head been milled? does it have an ignition rotor in it advancing the base timing? does it have a pipe and PC on it?
The factory doesn't recommend 95 R+M/2 for a stock bike. Its not available anyway. You shouldn't have any pinging on 89. There is a problem and its not the air filter or plugs or valve lash.
First of all make sure you are actually hearing detonation in the engine. Are you sure its mot something loose and rattling? That may sound silly but this engine is extremely resistant to detonation and it should not detonating on 91 octane fuel.
You need to get the a/f ratio checked on a dyno with a wide band o2. And check the fuel rail pressure. You may have to remove the injectors and send them out for testing and cleaning. but you are saying that its making good power so i don't suspect an injector to be plugged that bad.
Answers to these questions will help narrow it down.
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3000psi and falling
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posted April 25, 2010 04:01 PM
Yes I bought it new, its an 08. All stock inside. Only mod is r-77 slip on exhaust and gearing. Im 100% sure im hearing spark pinging. I know the valve lash wount cure this, but it needs to be done. Ill put this togather over the next few days with adjusted valve lash, new plugs, and a clean air filter and I plan on draining all fuel and fill it up with a known good fuel. Check out this picture from a lable on my bike frame. Does this not recomend 95 fuel??
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted April 25, 2010 05:44 PM
Has it done this for more than one tank full of fuel?
Notice it says RON and not R+M/2. RON is research octane number which is always quite a bit higher than the MON or motor octane number.
The pump fuels in the USA have to be marked on the pump by the RON added to the MON and divided by 2 so you get the average. You have seen these yellow stickers on the pump.
So that RON 95 is like a 91 R+M/2 number.
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Zone Head
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posted April 25, 2010 06:24 PM
Yes its been several tanks buy now, and thanks for clearing up the RON MON.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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dcjens
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posted April 25, 2010 06:29 PM
I used to run 92 now I run 89 here, Im still in front of the harleys 
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dcjens
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posted April 25, 2010 06:40 PM
check this out.. and I keep up on it too! check it often!! I made a thick aluminum cover too while I was at it 
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