SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 05:54 PM
Frame Sliders, yes or no?
I see a lot of you don't run frame sliders which gets me wondering if they are more harm then good. From what Ive gathered searching, on this particular bike its prone to breaking engine mounts in a even of a lay down? Does that sound about right? Ive looked at some of the sliders out for this bike and they do look rather long at about 5-6" in length so it does worry me a little. That is a tremendous about of leverage those bolts have to take in a event of a lay down. Whats your guys take on this? Obviously the best thing to do is don't lay down the bike, but like your gear you wear, you dress for the crash.
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derpie
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posted March 29, 2010 08:22 PM
 Edited By: derpie on 30 Mar 2010 04:22
+1 for the frame sliders here, there worth there weight for even a simple tip over seeing how much these plastics plus a new mirror end up costing. Unless you wanna paint stuff but the chance of denting or scratching the exhaust more then makes up for it to me at least. Besides if it low sides or high sides hopefully its a write off so I can get something newer.
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Reckless
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posted March 29, 2010 08:54 PM
From my point of view I wouldn't recommend the frame sliders that bolt into the engine mounts. My bike was a write off because the frame sliders broke both the engine mount and the mounting point on the head. Yes, it was beat up and would have needed lots of plastic etc but the insurance adjuster wrote it off because of the labour involved in replacing what the sliders damaged.
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SLVR_BLT
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posted March 29, 2010 08:58 PM
Edited By: SLVR_BLT on 30 Mar 2010 04:58
Yea, after thinking about it, there really isn't any exposed frame on this bike to really be of any benefit to be really used as intended. Its supposed to be a frame slider not a fairing slider. Eh i guess i can put money elsewhere.
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Old Guy
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posted March 29, 2010 11:28 PM
I run the LSL units. They have their own mounts that look like they would prevent the breakage that the rest do.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/prodimg/550K115Ri.jpg
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posted March 30, 2010 01:09 AM
SLVR_BLT-I hghly recommend frame sliders(even if they do mount to the Frame)! You will have a higher chance of the bike falling over then getting into an accident. My bike has tiped over a few times(my kid, hot pavement that buckled, and foot slipage on rocks/oil). In the event that you do get into an accident, frame sliders will be the least of your worries.
If you don't put them on and your bike falls over, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass for not listening 
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ninjaboy311
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posted March 30, 2010 02:11 AM
I have some on mine, just as a precaution in case it happens to tip over in the pits at the track. I dropped my old ZX-12 twice on accident, once at my house and once at the track, and wish I had some sliders on it cuz the fairings got all scratched up.
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Hellmutt
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posted March 30, 2010 02:56 AM
Wonder if one could add a long spacer and threaded rod between the mounts on the engine and give it more strength?? Sounds feasable, but haven't looked into sliders myself
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posted March 30, 2010 04:10 AM
single mounting point v multi point
I had Lockhart-Phillips single bolt sliders on my bike for a short time. After reading the post on case dammage I removed them. I think as multi point attachment slider like the Muzzy or LSL would offer the protection we all want without case dammage offered by the one bolt design. I have seen a Muzzy set after a 30 plus foot lowside and they worked to perfection. Keep in mind the bike didn't hit any curbs etc. I like the idea of being protected from a simple tip-over not costing a grand to repair. As the old bumper sticker says,shit happens.
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JDC
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posted March 30, 2010 05:01 AM
quote:
I run the LSL units. They have their own mounts that look like they would prevent the breakage that the rest do.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/prodimg/550K115Ri.jpg
Old guy, Do these mount up to firm locations on the bike?
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Shane661
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posted March 30, 2010 05:04 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 30 Mar 2010 13:05
ZX-14 frame sliders are often very long levers attached to an engine mount. I wouldn't suggest any that are of that design. Most of the ones I have seen are set up as such, with a very long slider, which can provide an excessive amount of force at the mounting point.
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oilfieldtrash
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posted March 30, 2010 05:13 AM
Edited By: oilfieldtrash on 30 Mar 2010 13:14
I wouldn't do it if it could possibly break a frame or engine case. I got my bike at a killer price cause the guy dropped it in a tip over. Luckily I found all the plastic that was damaged on eBay for next to nothing. Put new tires, Brock's exhaust, new mirrors, new plastics, and still have under $7500 invested in the bike. 
point of story: plastics are cheap if you look around.
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zixxer14
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posted March 30, 2010 07:19 AM
I've got the sliders that bolt to the motor mount, been down on the right side hard enough to shatter the timing cover, throwing pieces into the engine(had to remove the oil pan to remove pieces). It did no damage to mount, bent the bolt & wore away half the slider & wore a hole in the lower fairing, but saved the upper fairing, bars & mirror from damage. I replaced the slider(from ebay $20). Unfortunatly it didn't keep me from flattening out my elbow, that still hurts sometimes over a year later.
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Old Guy
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posted March 30, 2010 08:45 AM
Edited By: Old Guy on 30 Mar 2010 16:49
quote:
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I run the LSL units. They have their own mounts that look like they would prevent the breakage that the rest do.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/prodimg/550K115Ri.jpg
Old guy, Do these mount up to firm locations on the bike?
Yes. They provide longer allenhead bolts for where they use exsisting mounts. The other attachment points are; to the motor on the left side and frame on right. 2 mounting points each side.
Plus their 'pegs' are attached with a long bolt that looks like it would fail before enough leverage force could break anything on the bike.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/FrameSliders.cfm
Select kawasaki, then zx14, and finally click on the cameras for photos,
I painted mine black and cant get a clear picture.
You will get the idea how they mount from Spieglers photos I hope.
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posted March 30, 2010 09:25 AM
I have sliders on my bike, but they have never been tested.
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posted March 30, 2010 09:32 AM
I have sliders and when I got hit last year they took a good lick, but didn't bend or break anything as far as the mount goes. I put them on my new 14. IMHO tyou have small tipovers more than lowsides, I suggest having them.
I got mine off eBay that have 2 bolts in each side.
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posted March 30, 2010 09:55 AM
Racer rails two points of impact & also feel safer splitting lanes with them.
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posted April 15, 2010 11:56 PM
really useful information about bikes.......
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posted April 16, 2010 10:41 AM
I have the Muzzy sliders mounted to the the engine mount. I'd recommend them. If the bike goes down hard enough to damage the engine from the mount, that's what I have insurance for.
I use mine as "highway" pegs to stretch my legs out on longer rides being that I'm 6'6". I'm sure I look cool as hell while doing it, but it does the trick.
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swiftnet
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posted December 13, 2010 12:33 PM
Edited By: swiftnet on 13 Dec 2010 20:34
I've been looking at different sliders, as we all know most are just long pieces of plastic and a bolt. I found these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-09-Kawasaki-ZX-14R-ZZR1400-ZX-14R-ZX14-Frame-Sliders-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem336351e38cQQitemZ220709643148QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
They look like they have the correct design. Anyone ever tried them, FireDragonBrothers...I think they are from china, lol.
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Shane661
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posted December 13, 2010 12:37 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Dec 2010 20:38
Avoid this type, imo...they are just a long lever to break your frame and/or crack the cylinder head:
With that much leverage, even a low speed tipover can have catastrophic results.
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swiftnet
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posted December 13, 2010 12:58 PM
Yeah, I know to avoid those. Didn't those engineers learn about levers in elementary school? The FireDragonBrothers Kung Fu Squad Sliders seem to get the idea of force distribution.
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KC Jr 54
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posted December 13, 2010 01:16 PM
IMO These are the best ones available:
http://www.powersbikeworx.com/railz.html
Protected A LOT of important things in a 50mph low-side, including all engine covers, and a Pingle shifter (untouched completely).
Weeeeeeellll worth the $150.
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swiftnet
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posted December 13, 2010 01:39 PM
KC, I was looking for those but couldn't seem to find them, thanks for the link.
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posted December 13, 2010 09:34 PM
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From my point of view I wouldn't recommend the frame sliders that bolt into the engine mounts. My bike was a write off because the frame sliders broke both the engine mount and the mounting point on the head. Yes, it was beat up and would have needed lots of plastic etc but the insurance adjuster wrote it off because of the labour involved in replacing what the sliders damaged.
That is what scares me into not having any thing to do with sliders on the 14!
I am more than happy to replace some plastics then I'm to replace a frame or cylinder head 
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