jessejames82
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posted March 08, 2010 03:01 PM
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yawn, running slower than stockers...
Either you don't know the true numbers out there...or you are an idiot. Which is it?
WHAT THE HELL I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE RUNNY 8.7S ON A STOCK MOTOR I DID SMOKIN DID
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 03:03 PM
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WHAT THE HELL I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE RUNNY 8.7S ON A STOCK MOTOR I DID SMOKIN DID
Are you retarded or what?? (no offense to retards)
I am 225 lbs. suited. I never claimed to be the best rider in the world...only that switching from a Shortmeg to a CT won't get you 5 mph by itself.
Jesus!!
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jessejames82
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posted March 08, 2010 03:05 PM
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Which leans towards the fact that the HP is in the motor not the pipe.
did we pull it out of our ass .... just wait and see what i run with the new motor i cant wait
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jessejames82
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posted March 08, 2010 03:07 PM
diiferent tracks yes everything else same same map i have been running for years ... and i take offense to the retard comment i know so many online who seem like nice people
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 03:09 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 8 Mar 2010 23:11
Oh, sorry...I didn't mean to offend you.
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jessejames82
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posted March 08, 2010 03:11 PM
shane ur killing me i will go back to the quarter mile to prove this pipe kicks ass
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posted March 08, 2010 03:13 PM
my times are getting down there and I'll be knockin on jesse's door...a new rear shock I think will get me really close to 9.0s IF I do my job in the 60'. My goal is to run 9.0s SWB. Getting there....
Good job at Prostar Jesse
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LeonidasZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 03:14 PM
Looks like they are there already with 4 mph less!
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1badzx12r
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posted March 08, 2010 03:21 PM
i pick -up 8 mph in a 10 minute time span one day at a track.. had a head wind of 20 mph and then a 40mph tail wind blew in between passes .. cold fronts are good at this track .. south wind suxs
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 05:16 PM
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I"ll post his dyno charts when I get home and the difference is a lot more than the 1.5 hp you are stating, maybe that's why he said you need to clean your injectors..
No need to wait:
http://www.brocksperformance.com/dyno_charts/ZX14%20CT%20SERIES/ZX-1406_CTS_vs_AH_MID_800.jpg
That's Brock's chart. Does it look a lot stronger than 1.5 hp in the highlighted area?? GREEN vs. RED....the blue is the stock bike.
Shane
Yes it looks close to 8hp gain ....
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 05:19 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Mar 2010 01:19
What are you talking about Lee?? That is less than 2 hp in the highlighted area. Red= Alien Head, Green = CT. Blue=Stock
As for the mid, there is a gain..and look at the a/f comparison. Real lean on the CT...and you know that can make for bigger numbers...I know we have discussed this.
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Bently
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posted March 08, 2010 05:21 PM
Ya but that's 8 hp over stock exhaust unless I'm not reading it right? or roughly 1.5 over alien head.
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Bently
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posted March 08, 2010 05:22 PM
Damn shane your quicker then me on the key board as well. Damn
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 05:32 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 9 Mar 2010 01:35
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What are you talking about Lee?? That is less than 2 hp in the highlighted area. Red= Alien Head, Green = CT. Blue=Stock
As for the mid, there is a gain..and look at the a/f comparison. Real lean on the CT...and you know that can make for bigger numbers...I know we have discussed this.
Yes a 7 HP maybe 8 if you move the line up a bit .. You know if the motor has more power 3k up it's going to rev faster and in turn make more MPH faster ... I just don't get that you can't understand that power under peak makes MPH ... Jesse bike wasn't lean at those mid numbers unless 12.90 12.80 is lean ..That is why i didn't change the mapping .
And Shane i did call Brock today and guess what he was NOT back form GA , i left my number with EJ for him to call me back ...I'm going to order a CT as soon as he calls me back ..So NO i didn't tell Brock about this thread ...
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 05:37 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Mar 2010 01:38
Less than 2 hp from 7500 to 11000 rpm. 7500 rpm is well above shift recovery rpm, so the back half is not going to jump like crazy.
Like I said, I picked up some 330' ET...which is what I would expect to see with a stronger midrange. But mph, little to nothing. You didn't compare Jesse's bike before and after, and you know it was running like crap before. Your comparison chart is your bike with Street Meg to Jesse's with the CT.
I don't see why this had to go like this. Everybody knows you won't get 5 mph from this pipe swap...the exhausts are too similar. You will get some gain, and it is a nice exhaust. End of story.
Shane
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 05:38 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 9 Mar 2010 01:41
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Less than 2 hp from 7500 to 11000 rpm. 7500 rpm is well above shift recovery rpm, so the back half is not going to jump like crazy.
Like I said, I picked up some 330' ET...which is what I would expect to see with a stronger midrange. But mph, little to nothing.
You didn't compare his bike before and after, and you know it was running like crap before. Your comparison is your bike with Street Meg to Jesse's with the CT.
I don't see why this had to go like this. Everybody knows you won't get 5 mph from this pipe swap...the exhausts are too similar. You will get some gain, and it is a nice exhaust. End of story.
Shane
Look at Jesse Vs mine .. Jesse pick up 7 to 8 in more than one spot .. First
spot was 7400 ...Then again in the 8k zone ...
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 05:42 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Mar 2010 01:44
Lee, it is ridiculous posting that. It doesn't even agree with Brock's numbers, and it's from two different bikes...one with a thin headgasket and degreed cams....
What are you trying to prove??
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CraigChrist
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posted March 08, 2010 05:49 PM
He did state that his and jesse's bikes make the same hp even with jesse having the gasket and degree on his. If it has a lot better midrange I can see picking up some time. We'll find out the tale of all tales when lee gets it on his bike (as he is dead consistent).
That being said... Pat didn't pick up anything over his muzzy sidewinder when he switched to the ti-winder did he?
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 05:51 PM
Again Shane has not heard a word Brock said or wrote about the new CT pipe .. He said the new CT was built to work with the ram air ..Bigger gains will be seen with ram air over the dyno numbers ..
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 05:57 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Mar 2010 01:58
Ram Air?? Lee, first off...you know that LSR is my other hobby. I know something about ram air and the potential gains. And I have seen data from even Bonneville runs at 190+ mph. The 14 ram air is not all that.
I bought the exhaust, Lee. I measured it, I dyno'd it, I ran it at the track. It has some small improvements...even Brock told me that most of the gains are from the spigots and smoother welds...how much do you think that is really worth on a stock motor?
Holy shit, you are clinging to this 5 mph and I know that even you know better.
Shane
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1badzx12r
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posted March 08, 2010 05:58 PM
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Again Shane has not heard a word Brock said or wrote about the new CT pipe .. He said the new CT was built to work with the ram air ..Bigger gains will be seen with ram air over the dyno numbers ..
not busting ur chops smokin BUT
i got to sell my turbo and get me this pipe .. it makes more mph than 5lbs of boost does .
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 06:00 PM
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Lee, it is ridiculous posting that. It doesn't even agree with Brock's numbers, and it's from two different bikes...one with a thin headgasket and degreed cams....
What are you trying to prove??
ridiculous? ok now you tell me to fuck off and now i'm ridiculous ... Plus you infer i called Brock about this post but i'm ridiculous...Shane you really need to go have a beer and cool down ..
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Shane661
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posted March 08, 2010 06:05 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Mar 2010 02:06
You got told "FUCK YOU" for a legitimate reason. Read your post prior to that serenade. 
And yes, comparing a stock motor to one with degreed cams and thin gasket is ridiculous. Especially when said stock motor was supposedly tired and 159 hp before the pipe. And the tps was adjusted significantly....etc, etc...
As for calling Brock, Leonidas asked "who called brock?". But I do know it wasn't an accident that he found this thread, obviously.
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smokinZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 06:12 PM
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Ram Air?? Lee, first off...you know that LSR is my other hobby. I know something about ram air and the potential gains. And I have seen data from even Bonneville runs at 190+ mph. The 14 ram air is not all that.
I bought the exhaust, Lee. I measured it, I dyno'd it, I ran it at the track. It has some small improvements...even Brock told me that most of the gains are from the spigots and smoother welds...how much do you think that is really worth on a stock motor?
Holy shit, you are clinging to this 5 mph and I know that even you know better.
Shane
I just reported what it did on Jesses bike .. That is all !!!!! I have NEVER said buy this pipe and you will pick up 5 MPH .... Like i said i'm buying a CT and if i get 5 MPH fine ... if i get 2 MPH i'll be fine with that also ....I'm not trying to sell anyone this pipe , like i said i could careless if anyone buys this pipe ...You should allready know as the other bikeland members allready know that if the pipe doesn't pick up any MPH and ET i will post it ...
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LeonidasZX14
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posted March 08, 2010 06:14 PM
It's cool Wee admitted to calling Brock already. No implications on my behalf I just read a ton of exhaust threads on here and never see Brock chime in. I actually found it funny that he chimed in on this thread and posted on it while not having much time to read it as he stated. Wee called him!
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