Lucky14
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posted February 22, 2010 08:04 PM
 Edited By: Lucky14 on 23 Feb 2010 04:05
HELP!!! How to rivet a master link???
I'll spare you all the boring details, but I've researched this thing to death and still don't have an answer of how to know that it is done right.
I really don't want to lose my right leg!
Here's what I ended up with:
The untouched new link on top is for comparison.
Questions: What tool do you use? How do you know how much flare is correct?
Odd thing is that the one on the right looks noticably bigger, but it only measures about 0.002 bigger with both a dial caliper and with a micrometer.
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smokinZX14
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posted February 22, 2010 08:28 PM
www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/tools/category/chain/ Is what i use ... Very easy to use .. I mushroom the link so i can feel the spread with my finger nails .. Not much to it ..
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smokinZX14
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posted February 22, 2010 08:31 PM
This is the unit you need http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0467/
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posted February 22, 2010 08:36 PM
that's a great tool... until it breaks trying to press the rivet out lol. DOH! good thing i had a dremel and a 4.5mm allen wrench that we could sacrifice to the chain breaking gods lol. Here's the info that you're looking for.
http://www.motionpro.com/documents/pdf/I08-0467.pdf
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smokinZX14
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posted February 22, 2010 08:38 PM
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that's a great tool... until it breaks trying to press the rivet out lol. DOH! good thing i had a dremel and a 4.5mm allen wrench that we could sacrifice to the chain breaking gods lol. Here's the info that you're looking for.
http://www.motionpro.com/documents/pdf/I08-0467.pdf
Dummy you need to grind down the nub before you press the pin out .... Ask me how i know ...lol.. 
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 22, 2010 08:51 PM
I use the RK tool and flare the EK rivets .012 . You have to do it slow so they dont split.
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posted February 22, 2010 09:24 PM
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that's a great tool... until it breaks trying to press the rivet out lol. DOH! good thing i had a dremel and a 4.5mm allen wrench that we could sacrifice to the chain breaking gods lol. Here's the info that you're looking for.
http://www.motionpro.com/documents/pdf/I08-0467.pdf
Dummy you need to grind down the nub before you press the pin out .... Ask me how i know ...lol..
The funny thing is that Dakota9498 did his with the same tool on the same type of chain with no problems. Then on my chain it was a no go... At least we had the joy of doing everything several times lol.
You mean we have to follow the directions? damn... I thought I could get away with just winging it  .
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smokinZX14
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posted February 22, 2010 09:33 PM
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that's a great tool... until it breaks trying to press the rivet out lol. DOH! good thing i had a dremel and a 4.5mm allen wrench that we could sacrifice to the chain breaking gods lol. Here's the info that you're looking for.
http://www.motionpro.com/documents/pdf/I08-0467.pdf
Dummy you need to grind down the nub before you press the pin out .... Ask me how i know ...lol..
The funny thing is that Dakota9498 did his with the same tool on the same type of chain with no problems. Then on my chain it was a no go... At least we had the joy of doing everything several times lol.
You mean we have to follow the directions? damn... I thought I could get away with just winging it .
I winged it a broke to of the pin tools ... Then i read the directions..  What can i say , i'm just slow at times ...
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posted February 22, 2010 09:41 PM
 I tap the rivets with a Ball peen Hammer after using the flaring tool. That gives them a nice mushroom. WORKS GREAT !!
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posted February 22, 2010 09:43 PM
Well... we have the same technique when it comes to chain breaking... now if only I could get my clutch hand to work like yours :P.
I guess the real question here is did yours spark when it broke the pin tool for 530 chain? Because his sure as fuck did lol.
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masszx14
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posted February 23, 2010 06:35 AM
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I really don't want to lose my right leg
Not an issue! Not at all...
The left leg is a goner though if you screw up that master link!!!
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Lucky14
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posted February 23, 2010 06:36 AM
Thanks for the reponses.
However, I still don't have a definitive answer.
I know you have your own techniques that work for you, but I don't have an educated fingernail or a ball peen hammer meter.
OK, here are the boring details.
I originally bought the Motion Pro tool and followed the instructions to a tee. The large anvil broke, as reported many times in the reviews of the tool. Fortunately, I bought spare anvils and rivet tips.
I was never able to get much "spread" much less worry about going too far and splitting them.
I then used the RK Excel tool and got to what is shown in the pic.
Does that look right? I know it's hard to tell from a picture.
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 23, 2010 06:42 AM
I gave you the answer, .012 flare with the RK tool. How much flare do you have?
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8.95 @153 small shot n2o
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masszx14
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posted February 23, 2010 07:01 AM
And do not overtighten it- you will have a tight spot in the chain and sprocket wear will be very premature.
We had to redo a friend's chain twice last year due to some gorilla pressing in on that master link.
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smokinZX14
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posted February 23, 2010 07:06 AM
quote:
Thanks for the reponses.
However, I still don't have a definitive answer.
I know you have your own techniques that work for you, but I don't have an educated fingernail or a ball peen hammer meter.
OK, here are the boring details.
I originally bought the Motion Pro tool and followed the instructions to a tee. The large anvil broke, as reported many times in the reviews of the tool. Fortunately, I bought spare anvils and rivet tips.
I was never able to get much "spread" much less worry about going too far and splitting them.
I then used the RK Excel tool and got to what is shown in the pic.
Does that look right? I know it's hard to tell from a picture.
Looks fine to me ... If it has any spread it's not going to come off without using a grinder !! The master links i have used come with spacers that keep you from over doing it and crushing the orings ... I really think you are over thinking it a bit ..
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posted February 23, 2010 07:44 AM
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And do not overtighten it- you will have a tight spot in the chain and sprocket wear will be very premature.
We had to redo a friend's chain twice last year due to some gorilla pressing in on that master link.
go slow and check each time you flare it a little more. Takes some patience and feel.
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Lucky14
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posted February 23, 2010 08:05 AM
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I gave you the answer, .012 flare with the RK tool. How much flare do you have?
Sorry, it took me awhile to get to your post. I'm at work and supposed to be ................ uh ..........working!
I have 0.012 on the pin on the right and 0.010 on the left.
0.012 seems to be the bare minimum, but I can't seem to tighten the tool enough to flare either one in the picture any more without risking breaking the tool.
It took 2 weeks to get a reply from EK Chain. It confirms what you are saying (the mm sizes are correct, the inch conversions are off by a zero).
"Our sincere apologies for the extreme delay in response due to the high volume of inquiries via EK website we receive.
The optimal diameter of the mushroomed pin end for EK 530ZZZ
rivet-type master link is:
5.70 mm - 6.00mm (0.0224" - 0.0236").
The original pin diameter is supposed to be 5.38 mm (0.0212").
You are supposed to be able to use the tool of any good brand.
Thank you for using EK chain.
Miki Wada"
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 23, 2010 08:15 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 23 Feb 2010 16:16
That should be .224-.236 after flaring. Original o.d. is .212. Yeah, they added an extra zero.
You are OK with the .010 flare. It could be a minimal flare of .008 so you are in the middle anyway. .012 is "optimal" spec.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted February 23, 2010 08:29 AM
also, tighten a half turn and back off, tighten another half turn and back off...go slow, and check to make sure you don't over flare.
If you simply try to flare it in one twist, it will be much more difficult...again, take your time and be patient.
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Lucky14
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posted February 23, 2010 09:43 AM
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Looks fine to me ... If it has any spread it's not going to come off without using a grinder !! The master links i have used come with spacers that keep you from over doing it and crushing the orings ... I really think you are over thinking it a bit ..
Yeah, Wheelie says the same thing ........................ but what does HE know?
Yes, I used the spacers and the width of the inner and outer links are within 3 or 4 thous of the rest of the chain.
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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posted February 23, 2010 10:16 AM
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Looks fine to me ... If it has any spread it's not going to come off without using a grinder !! The master links i have used come with spacers that keep you from over doing it and crushing the orings ... I really think you are over thinking it a bit ..
Yeah, Wheelie says the same thing ........................ but what does HE know?
Yes, I used the spacers and the width of the inner and outer links are within 3 or 4 thous of the rest of the chain.
I know you should be ready by the 2011 season. lol
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posted February 23, 2010 11:00 AM
Check out what i just found.....
DIY CHAIN RIVET TOOL
All you need is cheap pipe flaring tool, and a C-clamp...
Now, turn the screw in each tool counter clockwise until the adapters pop off.......
Now, take the adapter from the flaring tool and install it onto the C-clamp. If it doesnt fit right (or at all) dont worry, it doesnt have to stick to the screw.....
Now you can rivet your chain links..........
I go this from kawiforums.com
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Lucky14
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posted February 23, 2010 02:56 PM
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I really don't want to lose my right leg
Not an issue! Not at all...
The left leg is a goner though if you screw up that master link!!!
Ah .................... someone DID catch the RIGHT leg comment!
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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posted February 23, 2010 06:41 PM
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that's a great tool... until it breaks trying to press the rivet out lol. DOH! good thing i had a dremel and a 4.5mm allen wrench that we could sacrifice to the chain breaking gods lol. Here's the info that you're looking for.
http://www.motionpro.com/documents/pdf/I08-0467.pdf
Cool I'm not alone with the inferiority of the press pin of that tool lol!
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted February 23, 2010 06:57 PM
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Looks fine to me ... If it has any spread it's not going to come off without using a grinder !!
+1 it doesn't take much at all . If there is any flare you're good and that link isn't going anyplace. Try to make sure both pins are evenly flared is the most you should do.
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