zx14fan
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posted January 19, 2010 02:33 PM
Shane your question can be complicated.there is much information on this subject and the debate endless like the flys thread.My wife is a chemist at uc sf so I have a little help with some oil questions I have though I try not to post the info I get because it just starts a war.There are a few thuings you could consider? one that you could simply drain the oil and let the gas evaporate in a pan,most of the gas but not all will evaporate,then you can use another filter with finer microns for the clutch particals. or as you said just get new oil.She tells me that on every leval synthetic is better not only for heat but also protection propertys though I cannot understand much of what she says lol.I think the bottom line is if you can clean the oil out of your 14 it should last a hundred or more passes.the small particals may not be as hard on your mill as one might think.The airplane guys send there oil to the lab for analysis and they will send you a full report for very little money and that takes the guess work out of it.
  
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08green
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posted January 19, 2010 03:43 PM
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NO power adders right.. who wants their oil churnin through 6 quarts when 3-4 does just fine without the drag...
what ever youre smoking can i have some?
Why you think a stock motor could use 6 quarts of oil..FYI the SS zx14s only use 3-4....they make 200hp..
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14nooby
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posted January 19, 2010 04:12 PM
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ONe track day 23-25 passes..damn you hot lap the crap out of it huh...6 qrts is too much IMO..
Your oil pump will only pump so much oil and is designed to do so. Adding a deeper pan that holds two more quarts won't affect anything. Why do you feel that 6 quarts is too much? Please explain.
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KZScott
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posted January 19, 2010 04:21 PM
more oil means adding the same amount of contaminants will not have as big of an effect. if you put 10ml of gas in 4 quarts of oil, and 10ml in 6quarts, the 6 would be less diluted, more pure, and better for the motor. the more oil you can get the better, untill it becomes a weight or space issue. the oil level is unchanged, so the crank isnt splashing oil around loosing hp. the only draw back in this situation is cost of extra oil. (who cares) and the weight.(small change) the positives greatly outweigh the negatives. mostly longer engine life. good trade imo considering the abuse we put them through
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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Shane661
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posted January 19, 2010 04:23 PM
I also suspect greater temperature stability with additional oil capacity.
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KZScott
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posted January 19, 2010 04:29 PM
definately, i forgot to mention that. you have a lot more to heat up, so temp stays more stable during top end blasts for 8-20 seconds(depending on the track) 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Shane661
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posted January 19, 2010 04:37 PM
This is perhaps a needed plus, since you lose the oil cooler with these setups.
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kawasakijockey
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posted January 19, 2010 04:50 PM
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This is perhaps a needed plus, since you lose the oil cooler with these setups.
Bingo
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KZScott
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posted January 19, 2010 05:16 PM
anyone fitted one of those old school "rad like" oil coolers up infront of the normal rad?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Shane661
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posted January 19, 2010 05:18 PM
It's probably not needed for what we do. The oil cooler is not that big, really.
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KZScott
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posted January 19, 2010 05:27 PM
maybe for Roys 1530 commuter/lsr machine?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Shane661
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posted January 19, 2010 05:28 PM
Roy may even be ok without the oil cooler since he is running E85 which burns a lot cooler??
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posted January 19, 2010 05:44 PM
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maybe for Roys 1530 commuter/lsr machine?
that bike needs a lot more than an oil cooler... 
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zx14fan
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posted January 19, 2010 07:08 PM
Added oil is not always the answer since optimum oil temp is about 220.with motorcycles its hard to sustain that kind of temp.
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eklipse636
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posted January 19, 2010 07:51 PM
So your saying the oil needs to be 220 deg before you make a pass at the dragstrip? No wheelie bar bikes run for any amount of time before their burnout and pass...
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posted January 19, 2010 08:00 PM
push to line, starter cart guy does his thing, burnout, stage, 1320, kill switch, tow guy...
that being said i allways make sure my bike has warmed up enough to heat the oil pan before i even drive it around the pits.... with tight squish and forged pistons you gotta do a proper warm up or your pistons could rock in the bore and tag the head on a cold run down the track... another reason why oem is usually cast with lots of squish, allmost idiot proof
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 19, 2010 11:57 PM
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more oil means adding the same amount of contaminants will not have as big of an effect. if you put 10ml of gas in 4 quarts of oil, and 10ml in 6quarts, the 6 would be less diluted, more pure, and better for the motor. the more oil you can get the better, untill it becomes a weight or space issue. the oil level is unchanged, so the crank isnt splashing oil around loosing hp. the only draw back in this situation is cost of extra oil. (who cares) and the weight.(small change) the positives greatly outweigh the negatives. mostly longer engine life. good trade imo considering the abuse we put them through
considering the *additional* weight of the oil will be at the front and bottom most point of the bike, it might even help the bike to not wheely.
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posted January 20, 2010 12:16 AM
I changed my pan at around 40 passes on synthetic, with hardly any clutch dust in the oil with the stock oil pan. I have the OSR pan on now. I do worry about having less capacity now. My Boss at home tells me not to worry because I'm using the best synthetic and she pointed out the best cold flow technology in synthetics. Her point was quicker return to the sump and on, and on. I don't think I can get the Adams 1.5" pan any time soon. lol.
Previous to Sport bikes I ran a Harley Sportster with about 45 passes on synthetic with only 3 qts. synthetic. Proper warm up no matter what oil used is a benefit. Every engine has an optimum operating temp.
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posted January 20, 2010 01:50 AM
I change the RedLine oil & filter around 30-50 passes depending on how busy the race week is...
REMEMBER.....clutch particles & gas get mixed into the oil...
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posted January 20, 2010 03:34 AM
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Added oil is not always the answer since optimum oil temp is about 220.with motorcycles its hard to sustain that kind of temp.
220 is required to burn off moisture etc in oil. Do you have a oil temp gauge on your 14?
If so where did you get it? When I drag raced my FJ1200 every week end I changed
oil and filter every week end. Will do the same on my 14 next summer.
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posted January 20, 2010 04:59 AM
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This is perhaps a needed plus, since you lose the oil cooler with these setups.
I have brocks sidewinder and adams modified pan. I still have the cooler.
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Shane661
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posted January 20, 2010 06:46 AM
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This is perhaps a needed plus, since you lose the oil cooler with these setups.
I have brocks sidewinder and adams modified pan. I still have the cooler.
I was referring to the 1.5 & 2" billet pans.
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posted January 20, 2010 02:00 PM
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considering the *additional* weight of the oil will be at the front and bottom most point of the bike, it might even help the bike to not wheely.
hmmmmm i just got an idea 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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eklipse636
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posted January 21, 2010 06:23 AM
Shane, if you had a big pizza sprocket you could completely release the clutch before you get to the tree, saving your clutch. Just a thought.
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posted January 21, 2010 06:36 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Jan 2010 14:37
Not likely to see that change, Dusty. 16/48 won't work for me, unless I add a LOT of wheelbase.
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