smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted December 29, 2009 01:57 PM
Wrongways 1530 stroker motor on the dyno
Wrongs way 1530 motor ... Crank and pistons , stock rods , stock head and cams ..Home made zx12 pipe to fit a zx14 .. 197 HP and 121 TQ ...This was done on my dyno that my zx14 made 171 hp and 100 tq with my fat race map (12.85 to 12.90 ) ... Roys map was fatter at 12.30 to 12.60 .. We left it fat because he will be running the mile on the 4th here in FL .. 26 HP gain with the 1530 kit and 21 TQ ... The bike at 4000 RPMs has close to what my zx14 has at 7800 RPMs... We could have leaned it out and picked up a few more ponys but he wanted it a little fat for his small shot of N20...... He is running a very tiny tiny shot that only made 201 and the bike still ran fat ( safe/ safety first guys ) ..Roy doesn't want any more N20 melt downs ... 
I know the dyno numbers may seem low compair to others... But my dyno does read 6 to 7 hp down from most dynos around here .. Numbers were SAE with smoothing factor 5 ..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
  
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:03 PM
Good numbers smokin and Roy. Been waiting to see what you guys got out of it.
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:14 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Dec 2009 22:27
What fuel was in it? E85?
By comparison, my stock motor bike made 186 hp sae/109 tq. on MR9 with the same fat a/f #'s. But I bet that torque curve is real nice on that stroker! 
I think Roy said that the rods were Falicon knife rods.
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:28 PM
Sorry i didn't know Roy had added rods also ...
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:35 PM
I wonder how that motor would 330'?? Hang on tight!! 
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:50 PM
quote:
I wonder how that motor would 330'?? Hang on tight!!
I wanted to take it to the track when they reopen on the 6th but Roy had to head home before that ...
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted December 29, 2009 02:58 PM
quote:
What fuel was in it? E85?
By comparison, my stock motor bike made 186 hp sae/109 tq. on MR9 with the same fat a/f #'s. But I bet that torque curve is real nice on that stroker!
I think Roy said that the rods were Falicon knife rods.
what did it dyno at with pump gas ? just trying to compare ... I bet most 14's would dyno within 1% of each other ON THE SAME DYNO.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:08 PM
So wrong way where your numbers on e85?
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:11 PM
yes, helps the motor run cooler , and cheaper than race gas ...
Roy
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:17 PM
So really on pump gas your looking at a 20 hp increase? guessing e85 is worth 6 hp over pump. Not knocking your numbers or build ,but I would do a 20 shot for 300.00 before spending that much for 20 hp.
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:22 PM
I didn't have much choice , since 2 bores in the cases were melted along with a couple of pistons ... I was just happy that the cases could be weld back up
Roy
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:45 PM
quote:
quote:
What fuel was in it? E85?
By comparison, my stock motor bike made 186 hp sae/109 tq. on MR9 with the same fat a/f #'s. But I bet that torque curve is real nice on that stroker!
I think Roy said that the rods were Falicon knife rods.
what did it dyno at with pump gas ? just trying to compare ... I bet most 14's would dyno within 1% of each other ON THE SAME DYNO.
176 hp on pump gas.
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:49 PM
So MR9 is worth 10 hp ,,, that sounds like more power than E85 . I only saw a 5 hp gain on e85.
Roy
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:49 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 29 Dec 2009 23:51
quote:
So really on pump gas your looking at a 20 hp increase? guessing e85 is worth 6 hp over pump. Not knocking your numbers or build ,but I would do a 20 shot for 300.00 before spending that much for 20 hp.
It would have been more HP had we leaned it out .. But you have to ask yourself do you want 26 hp all the time or only when you hit the button ..Let me also add this, this motor had so much low end power it just killed the tire , we had rubber flying everywhere in my shop .. We could have lost some hp because of that ... We had to let a bunch of air out of the tire to get it to somewhat hook on the dyno ..Low air pressure also kills HP on the dyno ... The real test would be taking to the track and test it against my zx14 numbers ..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:51 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 29 Dec 2009 23:55
quote:
I didn't have much choice , since 2 bores in the cases were melted along with a couple of pistons ... I was just happy that the cases could be weld back up
Roy
i've learnt buying a used stocker is cheaper than welding and nicosil and resurfacing and shipping a burnt motor
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:54 PM
quote:
quote:
The real test would be taking to the track and test it against my zx14 numbers ..
not against your numbers .. but running them both that same day at the track ..
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted December 29, 2009 03:58 PM
quote:
i've learnt buying a used stocker is cheaper than welding and nicosil and resurfacing a burnt motor
maybe ... but i did want to get closer to the 1650 cc limit in the land speed class I am in . So I figured I had a good reason to go with the 1530 kit. it was only 600 bucks to weld up and plate the block .... vs the 400 to bore and plate. Deck ended up being -.007 inch after decking the block.
Roy
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted December 29, 2009 04:15 PM
quote:
quote:
So really on pump gas your looking at a 20 hp increase? guessing e85 is worth 6 hp over pump. Not knocking your numbers or build ,but I would do a 20 shot for 300.00 before spending that much for 20 hp.
It would have been more HP had we leaned it out .. But you have to ask yourself do you want 26 hp all the time or only when you hit the button ..Let me also add this, this motor had so much low end power it just killed the tire , we had rubber flying everywhere in my shop .. We could have lost some hp because of that ... We had to let a bunch of air out of the tire to get it to somewhat hook on the dyno ..Low air pressure also kills HP on the dyno ... The real test would be taking to the track and test it against my zx14 numbers ..
I would love to see your numbers and then follow it with a pass from wrong ways bike same day same conditions. honestly smoking what would you expect in the 1/4 mile over your bike? .20?
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted December 29, 2009 04:17 PM
But I would have to see e85 to e85 or pump to pump to see the difference as well. I would love to see you run your bike on e85 smoking and see the gain you get at the track cause I consider you a pretty consistent rider.
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted December 29, 2009 04:18 PM
quote:
So MR9 is worth 10 hp ,,, that sounds like more power than E85 . I only saw a 5 hp gain on e85.
Roy
No, the fuel was probably worth about 7-8 hp. I went with shorter velocity stacks and they moved the power and torque curve up a bit.
|
kaw-rick
Pro
Posts: 1167
|
posted December 29, 2009 04:35 PM
Yeh id rather see track no.s than dyno. I bet it will haul.
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted December 29, 2009 05:23 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
So really on pump gas your looking at a 20 hp increase? guessing e85 is worth 6 hp over pump. Not knocking your numbers or build ,but I would do a 20 shot for 300.00 before spending that much for 20 hp.
It would have been more HP had we leaned it out .. But you have to ask yourself do you want 26 hp all the time or only when you hit the button ..Let me also add this, this motor had so much low end power it just killed the tire , we had rubber flying everywhere in my shop .. We could have lost some hp because of that ... We had to let a bunch of air out of the tire to get it to somewhat hook on the dyno ..Low air pressure also kills HP on the dyno ... The real test would be taking to the track and test it against my zx14 numbers ..
I would love to see your numbers and then follow it with a pass from wrong ways bike same day same conditions. honestly smoking what would you expect in the 1/4 mile over your bike? .20?
I really don't have a clue .. I ran 8.56 with a 30 shot .. That 30 shot only made 21 HP on the dyno .. So if i had to guess 8.50s , maybe faster because i sprayed just before shifting to 2 gear ..The stroker power would be on from the starting line and might ET a little faster .. I'm just guessing..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
87gtNOS
Zone Head
Posts: 620
|
posted December 29, 2009 05:40 PM
MR9? Can I get that in Canada, and can I run it in my snowmobile (R1 bike engine basically)??
What mapping changes are needed? It has a PC3 too with timing module!!
Thanks
____________
01 ZX12R
07 ZX14 - YEAH BABY!
03 ZX9R-traded in for the 14!!! June 07!
05 636-traded in for the 9 Sept 05
|
SteddyTeddy
Pro
Posts: 1664
|
posted December 29, 2009 06:39 PM
The HP #'s came out about right where I thought they would but I guessed short on the TQ. Man I bet that's fun to ride!
|
entropy
Moderator
Posts: 8671
|
posted December 31, 2009 10:18 AM
121 tq is stout;
jack CR up, oxy race gas, get after cams/head to extend the tq curve and it'll make serious hp.
Roy,
you ready to roll to Miami?
See you there.
Karl
____________
This moderator uses moderation in moderation
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC