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posted May 04, 2009 04:25 PM
PC3 vs PC5
I was told today that my Brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can be manually loaded, anyone know if this is true and it will be accurate?
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posted May 04, 2009 04:32 PM
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I was told today that my Brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can be manually loaded, anyone know if this is true and it will be accurate?
wee
I have no clue Wee .. But if you want a killer deal on a PC-V with auto tune Ping JesseJames82
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posted May 04, 2009 04:34 PM
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I was told today that my Brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can be manually loaded, anyone know if this is true and it will be accurate?
wee
I have no clue Wee .. But if you want a killer deal on a PC-V with auto tune Ping JesseJames82
just bought the 5 today. Brocks map will be used, I hope?
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posted May 04, 2009 04:46 PM
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I was told today that my Brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can be manually loaded, anyone know if this is true and it will be accurate?
wee
I have no clue Wee .. But if you want a killer deal on a PC-V with auto tune Ping JesseJames82
just bought the 5 today. Brocks map will be used, I hope?
wee
Lets us know how it works out , i would really like to try one myself ..
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Wheelie
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posted May 04, 2009 04:50 PM
i'll let y'all know this Thursday or Friday.
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posted May 04, 2009 04:51 PM
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i'll let y'all know this Thursday or Friday.
wee
Cool ......Thanks ....
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starchild
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posted May 04, 2009 05:54 PM
smoke. i'm using the pc5 i like it much better than the pc3 easier to use
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posted May 05, 2009 07:01 AM
Ok so here's my curious question of the day... I know thw PC5 is only being sold for the '08-'09 models... but do you guys think it would work on a '06-'07 model if a guy also bought the auto tune??? I've been thinkin' about giving it a try. All of the connections are the same, aren't they?
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posted May 05, 2009 07:39 AM
Yes, Dogo. No change but a fly moving faster off the map is swat that shitup. And if the 5 uses the same windows mapisscrapiss, you are inn like flint on the long hand download; is just a click away.
We have 4 wires to an injector a ground and a hot wire? We have Huston on the line is A-OK or I eat my words and I doubt it if we are talking 14 from day one till now.
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posted May 05, 2009 08:00 AM
Well it will probaly be a couple of months before I do it. I think I'm ready to trade in the S/O's for a full system. So I might as well just wait, since I'd have to add a bung to the stock header anyway. I was leaning towards Brock's new C/T, now I'm thinking save the $$$ and get the Alien head, PC5, and auto tuner.
Anyone wanna give it a try first? 
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posted May 05, 2009 08:02 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 5 May 2009 16:44
Can PC3 maps be easily converted to PC5? Or would all of your maps be useless...wait, I think that was the original question. 
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posted May 05, 2009 08:43 AM
I've got a PC5 with auto tune for my zx14 2007 arriving anyday. Will let you guys know how it goes.
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posted May 05, 2009 09:08 AM
Edited By: NINJA12 on 5 May 2009 17:08
I'll admit to not reading up on the PC5.
Does it include autotune or do you have to buy extra parts like bazazz?
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johnbull
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posted May 05, 2009 10:41 AM
The autotune is a seperate add on, but if i'm not mistaken the pc5 with autotune works out a lot cheaper than the bazzaz with self mapping (autotune).
I'm just waiting now to see how well it performs.
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gilberjj
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posted May 05, 2009 11:30 AM
cool, keep us posted johnbull
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posted May 05, 2009 04:17 PM
just got a pc5 map from Brock, I was correct about the values, they are the same as a pc3, but the 5 has 15% trottle position.
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posted May 05, 2009 04:22 PM
Edited By: JDC on 6 May 2009 00:23
I suspect because the PC5 has more cells in its' overall all map (a little higher resolution sort of), you can't do a straight swap.
Maybe someone will write up a macro to copy over the current info, leaving blank cells to be filled in.
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posted May 05, 2009 04:26 PM
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I suspect because the PC5 has more cells in its' overall all map (a little higher resolution sort of), you can't do a straight swap.
Maybe someone will write up a macro to copy over the current info, leaving blank cells to be filled in.
really? im looking at both pc3 and pc5, they are the same. like I said the 5 has a 15% tp, so those cells will be empty.
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posted May 05, 2009 06:25 PM
That is the only change from III to V in the map.... no additional TP's or RPM increments, beyond what you said at 15 percent?
different than DJ described what would be a few years back.
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posted May 05, 2009 07:52 PM
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That is the only change from III to V in the map.... no additional TP's or RPM increments, beyond what you said at 15 percent?
different than DJ described what would be a few years back.
correct, only difference is the 15% tp cells,
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posted May 07, 2009 08:23 AM
What features does it add to the PC3.
1. add 15% column
2. autotune
3.?
4.?
any reasons to upgrade besides autotune?
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Wheelie
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posted May 07, 2009 08:29 AM
map each gear, not sure if a 3 does that
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posted May 07, 2009 09:07 AM
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What features does it add to the PC3.
1. add 15% column
2. autotune
3.?
4.?
any reasons to upgrade besides autotune?
I would say no. no reason to upgrade.
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posted May 08, 2009 04:38 PM
you can trim the fuel by gear with the hub and gps sensor harness
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posted May 08, 2009 07:54 PM
Same questions dancing through my head a couple months back. Here's the differences according to what was published on the net back in february. I'm still waiting to hear testimonials that the PC5 works on 08 and earlier models. Everyone seems to say it should make no dif but I haven't read a great deal about pre09 bikes running PC5.
PC 5
1. More compact
Reduced size from PCIIIusb (less than half of the size of PCIII)
2. More Sensitive to more types of input
Gear/Speed input (allows for map adjustment based on gear and speed)
Analog input (allows user to install any 0-5 volt sensor and build an adjustment table based on its input such as boost or temperature)
With gear position input connected the PCV is capable of allowing each cylinder to be mapped individually and for each gear (for example: on a 4 cylinder bike with a six speed transmission there could be up to 24 separate fuel tables).
3. More adjustable
Unit has a -100/+250% fuel change range (up from -100/+100%). This allows more adjustment range for 8 injector sportbikes ( more adjustment to 4 injectors but still unable to adjust for 8 injectors on a busa) PCIII has a +/-100% range
10 throttle position columns (up from 9 on PCIIIusb)
Enhanced “accel pump” utility (increased adjustment and sensitivity ranges)
2 position map switching function built in (map switch not included)
4. Autotune expandable
Auto Tune for PCV (all models):
“Auto Tune” kit will be available that includes Wide Band O2 sensor(s) and control box(es). It will plug directly into the PCV and allow automatic fuel adjustments.
Not sure if autotune can be used with the PCIII. Seems like it could be a nice feature to add on.
The PCIII maps for individual cylinders but it does not have the capability to map separately according to gear or to map according to speed.
If you buy the LCD display and connect to a PCV, you can store & switch between many maps.
PC3 maps do not work with the PC5. Maps have been "redone" to load into the PC5.
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