NinjaNick
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posted April 09, 2009 05:06 PM
Brock map vs dyno
It's noted on the website that it's not a map for a dyno queen. Why is that stated? Is it a HUGE dyno reading or something? Or more like 185 vs 182 type reading. Like only 3hp off or crap like that. Is there really such a big dyno number difference?
Curious question.
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Compton
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posted April 09, 2009 05:17 PM
means just what i means. if only thing you care about is a HP number then his maps arent for you.
if you want a map that will make great power all over and PERFORM! very well at the track then this is the map for you.
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NinjaNick
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posted April 09, 2009 05:28 PM
 Edited By: NinjaNick on 10 Apr 2009 01:31
That doesn't answer the question. I asked why is that stated? Is it because it's a HUGE dyno number difference or something?
I'm not a straight line rider. I ride the shit out of the thing in all forms of riding. My idea of a track is a road course. I went -1/+2 because I wanted it to be quicker in all ways, even coming out of the corners lifting the front wheel. If I get into a drag race, it's normally on the street. The 14 turns too, you should try it. I just want to know what the dyno difference really is. Does it read less HP on the dyno or something than stock? lol Would it read only 3 less than a different pipe? Like how much is TRULY a difference.
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Shane661
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posted April 09, 2009 05:30 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 10 Apr 2009 01:33
A dyno map might make several more peak hp...which is enough to win or lose a dyno shootout...or apparently so important that some people base their buying decision on it.
But a pipe with a lower dyno reading can be faster at the track.
Simple enough?
Shane
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NinjaNick
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posted April 09, 2009 05:32 PM
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Shane. 
I just want faster, I don't run drag strips.
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NinjaNick
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posted April 09, 2009 05:36 PM
Edited By: NinjaNick on 10 Apr 2009 02:31
If I just want a faster 14 with as much power as I can get out of it for the street, would the track map still be as good? I'm curious because it's written like it wouldn't be a good map for a power STREET bike. I'm just trying to decide if any of his maps would benefit me wanting an insanely fast road bike, NOT DRAG BIKE. I'm trying to get schooled on his mapping, that is all.
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kawasakijockey
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posted April 09, 2009 06:43 PM
A dyno map should be leaner too considering there isnt 100mph air being packed into the inlet.
The street map to me is the better map for a day to day ride, it is smoother in the lower revs. If its cold air then you get more power from the track map( I have run my fastest time on the street map though). This is with pump gas. With race fuel you gotta use the track map to get the most power.
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posted April 09, 2009 06:46 PM
I need schoolin' too. I'm thinking Brock's AH.
I saw a dyno comparo of 4 pipes all tested on a gix1K. A $2000 Leo Vince oval can was the winner as far as peak hp and the rest of the curve was very impressive as well. The first few thousand RPM don't show on a dyno chart but from where that line started, it looked to have lost nothing from stock.
Brock's shortmeg (or was it streetmeg?) and a Brock's Gen III can were also tested. Lost hp below 3K, only slightly better midrange (actually dipped below stock hp from about 6K rpm - 6.5K rpm), improved top end with continued hp increase beyond 9K rpm (that's where the stockers start to flatten off). Weird thing is the Gen III made better peak hp than the meg.
Brock made a public statement defending the bad PR. I don't think you can just look at hp. You have to look at whose winning races. Also, who is going to support you with maps and A-1 customer service? Brock will. Those two factors alone will make your exhaust a lot more useful than a pipe that claims to make 5 more hp, I think.
I like Brock's. Also dig the Tsukigi Cannon but I doubt if they will provide more than 1 map. Brock might give you something that works well for the street and then something else that is more track specific.
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pazx14rider
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posted April 09, 2009 07:00 PM
Send him an email, He will answer any questions you have, and hes usually very prompt!
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Bawls
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posted April 09, 2009 07:15 PM
when i bought my pipe i got the street map, track map, and maxton map which is for mr9. i've had great luck out of the track map on pump gas, but san diego has cold dense air on most days.
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posted April 09, 2009 07:15 PM
answered me today within 30 minutes! customer service is Top Notch!!!
the street map has better low speed throttle response I feel like, and the track map feels stronger on top end.
i dynoed both a long time ago, dont remember the difference, but on pump fuel it was not dramatic
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billeason
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posted April 09, 2009 07:23 PM
What brocks is telling you is he offers a map that on paper shows more peak hp thru tuning the bike just for that. This doesn't mean the fastest bike out in the real world. In the case of the 14 if i set the final a/f at 12.7-1 on the dyno it will show me 13.0-1 going threw the traps at 10800 rpms. This is a good average ratio but my bikes like to see 12.8 at the track,but all bikes are different depending on the mods you have. The ram air on the 14's seem to work fairly well according to my readings. Brock can set a A/F tune to make peak hp on paper but it wont win you any races.................Bill
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NinjaNick
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posted April 09, 2009 08:45 PM
You guys are awesome. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject. 
I didn't think about this until now, but when I buy the pipe, I can get the street map and the track map and just change them as I want to huh? If that's true, please excuse my ignorance. I was at work and didn't really sit down to think about it.
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posted April 09, 2009 09:23 PM
when you buy a bde exhaust you get any maps you need.
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kawasakijockey
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posted April 10, 2009 04:07 AM
quote:
You guys are awesome. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject.
I didn't think about this until now, but when I buy the pipe, I can get the street map and the track map and just change them as I want to huh? If that's true, please excuse my ignorance. I was at work and didn't really sit down to think about it.
Yep. You can load them as many times as you want or put a PC Hub switch on and load both maps at the same time and toggle the switch between the two.
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bigdtd
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posted April 10, 2009 05:05 AM
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quote:
You guys are awesome. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject.
I didn't think about this until now, but when I buy the pipe, I can get the street map and the track map and just change them as I want to huh? If that's true, please excuse my ignorance. I was at work and didn't really sit down to think about it.
Yep. You can load them as many times as you want or put a PC Hub switch on and load both maps at the same time and toggle the switch between the two.
i have all the maps loaded on my lcd and have used them all. i reload frequently for demo purposes. all run great, the track map is the one i use most, but the street map gives the best mileage. the track and maxton maps work best when its cold. they dump a lot of gas in on the big end.
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NinjaNick
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posted April 10, 2009 07:35 AM
I will get that PC Hub switch too then because that sounds like the most conveinent way to do it.
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bigdtd
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posted April 10, 2009 07:41 AM
the lcd holds unlimited maps, the hub allows multiple devices to hook up but only two maps
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NinjaNick
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posted April 10, 2009 08:55 AM
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. I like that LCD better. It just stays safely in the nut there? Pretty secure location?
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bigdtd
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posted April 11, 2009 09:24 AM
Edited By: bigdtd on 11 Apr 2009 17:29
the techmount holds it solidly +1, and the velcro on the mount allows you to remove the lcd when you want to, like when i travel i put my garmin 265wt in the same spot, i wired a 12v recepticle in the area for the gps or other accessories to come.........whatever map you last loaded with the lcd stays in the pclll when it is removed fyi
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