fast-14
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posted April 08, 2009 04:05 PM
bike pops out of 2nd
hey all,
i've been working on my 1/4 mi technique and i must say it's gonna take some practice. i have about 40 passes so far, the first 10 i was using the clutch. i worked on my clutchless shifts on the street and felt pretty proficient at it so most of the remaining passes were clutchless. now they weren't all perfect especially on those 30 deg track nights with numb feet. i don't know what the hell i was thinking racing on those cold nights. well the last couple times i clutchless shifted into 2nd, it would pop out into neutral. it's fine with the clutch but i don't want it to get ant worse.
so i was gonna get a shift star to help but am open to any suggestions.
also would an air shifter help or exacerbate the problem?
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smokinZX14
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posted April 08, 2009 06:29 PM
shift star should fix you lack of foot action .. An air shifter will only help ..Lots more power in the air shifter than your foot ..
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KZScott
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posted April 08, 2009 06:34 PM
hopefully you dont have bent shift forks or shafts. might want to check?
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smokinZX14
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posted April 08, 2009 06:44 PM
quote:
hopefully you dont have bent shift forks or shafts. might want to check?
Can happen but the zx14 is not known for that problem ... One thing for sure is if he keeps doing it he will have a problem ...He will tear the dogs right off second gear ..
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dubious
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posted April 08, 2009 07:03 PM
quote:
quote:
hopefully you dont have bent shift forks or shafts. might want to check?
Can happen but the zx14 is not known for that problem ... One thing for sure is if he keeps doing it he will have a problem ...He will tear the dogs right off second gear ..
+1
even though kawi has a mild backcut, they can still get rounded dogs.
The great thing about an air shifter is it kills power so it can enguage a gear completely, an with proper kill and delay, is much more accurate than powershifting.
Airshifters are great for the clutch and transmission!
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KZScott
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posted April 08, 2009 07:58 PM
yeah, i rounded mine off in my 12 in 07( couldnt really nail the 1-2 shift every time). ended up it wouldnt stay in second gear. heavily worn forks ect. (probly the originals)got a full R&D job on it and an air shifter, no problems in 08
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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LAB3
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posted April 09, 2009 01:55 AM
Is the Dyno Jet Quick Shifter that plugs into the PCIII a toy or worth the $349.00??
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Douglas Home
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posted April 09, 2009 08:52 AM
I love mine , and over here the rules still count it as footshifting for streetbike class. Great choice , your black 07! The only thing I found was that the adhesive frame mount was shit . I bolted mine from the inside of the countershaft cover then clamped with two nuts to get clearance , I did this as the cover wouldnt hold a thread . 65 m/s and ready to go .
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pissear
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posted April 09, 2009 10:06 AM
In second gear... Take off and keep it in gear. Now throttle up and hit the back brake to dyno-brake the transmission. This loads the gear and it if pops out = Tear down ~ Bent fork(s) and dogs to other cut gear are rounded out; plus the fork [tips] are burned pushing that gear in; that the tips widen; the gear floats out of the other dog gear is wag that tail > She pops out of gear. BAD DOG!
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LAB3
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posted April 09, 2009 11:26 AM
This is the reason I do Not like to shift with out the clutch. But I am Not chaseing 10th of a second at the track.
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fast-14
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posted April 09, 2009 06:50 PM
thanks for the help guys.
well that's good t hear. i'm thinking(hoping) that its not too far gone yet. i was considering an air shifter now it seems like a definite must have. i'll be instaling the shift star this weekend and see how that helps.
drag racing is addicting as hell on this bike. so close to the 9's and still all stock. i'd like to geta ninebefore bolting on any aftermarket parts but the shifter seems to be neccessary.
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KZScott
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posted April 09, 2009 09:14 PM
check the shift forks while you are in there at least. they are usually worn if you arent a perfect clutchless shifter. keeping them in spec will help your problem
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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bigdtd
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posted April 10, 2009 07:17 AM
if you get anything done to the tranny go with R&D Motorsports. Mark and team are the best .
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Willbkari2
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posted April 10, 2009 10:57 AM
....yup, bad doggys! or getting that way.
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eklipse636
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posted April 11, 2009 06:30 AM
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This is the reason I do Not like to shift with out the clutch. But I am Not chaseing 10th of a second at the track.
but this is why you will be putting clutches in soon... i burnt mine up using the clutch in 2006, since havent had one problem, and got hundreds of peaases on it now
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