NinjaNick
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posted March 29, 2009 06:34 AM
I like this thread. 
  
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TooHype
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posted March 29, 2009 06:34 AM
I do have 1 question for you......After the oil pan broke, how long did the engine run before you shut it off? Did you ride it back to your shop?
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bigdtd
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posted March 29, 2009 06:49 AM
those falicon and adams pieces look sweet
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Seven
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posted March 29, 2009 08:52 AM
When the pan broke it took me a few seconds to realize what happened and keep the bike from going down once i had the bike under control i killed it and pushed that tank about an 1/8 mile down the road to a parking lot. When i say it broke the pan it busted the drain plug out of the pan so the oil im sure took a second to run out enough for the pump to lose its suction. Like i said i rode it maybe 200 miles after i fixed the pan but the last day i wasnt taking it easy on it so...
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thutch26
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posted March 29, 2009 09:19 AM
Seven.. When you broke the stock pan and modified it did you shorten the pickup? I also have a Adams Pan, and YES they are works of art!!
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06redzx14
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posted March 29, 2009 09:22 AM
how'd you know the bearing sizes before hand? what's a good ball park figure for the crank?
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Seven
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posted March 29, 2009 12:31 PM
If you read through your manual it tells you what stamps to look for each bearing. My mains remained the same but i wanted to check the rod journels and as Falicon said they remained unchanged, verified with Mics. You have stamps in your crank, rods, and case that denote what color bearings it will take. When i milled the bottom of the pan down i didnt shorten it i just made a plate to cover the bottom so it remained the same depth. Same end product as if i drilled out the stock hole and TIGd a small blank in its place.
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bigdtd
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posted March 30, 2009 09:46 AM
great thread
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Shane661
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posted April 02, 2009 02:12 PM
Are those rods shorter than stock?
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eb2318
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posted April 02, 2009 03:17 PM
nice thread
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Seven
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posted April 07, 2009 11:03 AM
no the rods are stock length. The CP pistons are designed for this stroker. Not the typical Stock replacement piston, designed to take into account the longer stroke. I had to fly home this past week so i havent gotten ANYTHING done but this weekend Ill be all over it. Should have the motor all back together and in the bike, so ill have some updates soon....
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smokinZX14
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posted April 07, 2009 11:06 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 7 Apr 2009 19:07
That only moves the pin up two mill in the piston ....Will not hurt a thing...
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06redzx14
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posted April 07, 2009 11:33 AM
maybe a stupid question, but... why would the pin only move up 2 mil for a 4 mil stroker?
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Shane661
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posted April 07, 2009 11:35 AM
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Seven.. When you broke the stock pan and modified it did you shorten the pickup? I also have a Adams Pan, and YES they are works of art!!
Which sidewinder are you using with that? What did you have to modify/change to get it to work with the pan? Which filter relocator?
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Shane661
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posted April 07, 2009 11:54 AM
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maybe a stupid question, but... why would the pin only move up 2 mil for a 4 mil stroker?
I believe it is because you only have a 2mm change at TDC. The same reason that in normal applications you run a stroker plate that is only 1/2 the thickness of the stroke change.
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Seven
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posted April 07, 2009 12:05 PM
When the crank is stroked it is offset ground so it changes the centerline of the rod journels. (Puts centerline further away from stock) since the centerline is changed it changes both the bottom and the top travel distances. Top goes 2 mil higher and bottom 2 mil lower. 4 mil total stroke increase. Im bad at explaining thinks so if someone else can help please jump in.
I have a Tsukigi sidewinder system and the adams pan came with a relocator When i bought it i asked that same question if id have a fit problem with the header and the tech guys at Schnitz said my system will fit without the use of anyother relocator. Ill let you guys now if thats not the case.
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Halvefast
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posted April 07, 2009 05:19 PM
Edited By: Halvefast on 8 Apr 2009 01:20
Great thread, can't wait to see the results.
I'm kind torn on which direction to go myself. So do I just stroke it, or bore it, or both?
Which combination will be affordable and give long living power?
Keep up the good work!
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posted April 07, 2009 05:29 PM
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When the crank is stroked it is offset ground so it changes the centerline of the rod journels. (Puts centerline further away from stock) since the centerline is changed it changes both the bottom and the top travel distances. Top goes 2 mil higher and bottom 2 mil lower. 4 mil total stroke increase. Im bad at explaining thinks so if someone else can help please jump in.
I have a Tsukigi sidewinder system and the adams pan came with a relocator When i bought it i asked that same question if id have a fit problem with the header and the tech guys at Schnitz said my system will fit without the use of anyother relocator. Ill let you guys now if thats not the case.
Yes, if you move the rod journal centerline 2mm further away from the main bearing centerline, you have increased upward travel by 2mm, and downward travel by 2mm, which adds up to 4mm longer stroke.
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johnbull
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posted April 08, 2009 09:47 AM
Great thread seven,
I'm running a standard ZX14 2007 motor in a single seater racing car and have plans to tune the engine.
Just a general question since this thread is about engine tuning. Did you remove the crank balancers? I've heard a lot of people say that it is good to remove them because you remove quite a bit of rotating weight but I'm not convinced..........can anyone here elaborate on this whether it is good to do or not?
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Seven
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posted April 08, 2009 12:57 PM
Thanks!!! No i didnt remove the crank balancers. When i began the build i had seen similar mods done to cranks but didnt know the full affects of this on the motor. Id like to learn more about this myself.
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kawboy4ever
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posted April 08, 2009 05:43 PM
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When the crank is stroked it is offset ground so it changes the centerline of the rod journels. (Puts centerline further away from stock) since the centerline is changed it changes both the bottom and the top travel distances. Top goes 2 mil higher and bottom 2 mil lower. 4 mil total stroke increase. Im bad at explaining thinks so if someone else can help please jump in.
I have a Tsukigi sidewinder system and the adams pan came with a relocator When i bought it i asked that same question if id have a fit problem with the header and the tech guys at Schnitz said my system will fit without the use of anyother relocator. Ill let you guys now if thats not the case.
Yes, if you move the rod journal centerline 2mm further away from the main bearing centerline, you have increased upward travel by 2mm, and downward travel by 2mm, which adds up to 4mm longer stroke.
Hmmmmm. So thats actually a 2mm stroker then right. If the stroke was increased upward 2mm and downward by 2mm to equal 4mm, but you had to put a 2mm offset piston in to avoidhitting head; Then that means overall we only had a total 2mm stroke.
Is that right??????
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Halvefast
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posted April 08, 2009 06:17 PM
Kawboy4ever-Nope, 2mm down+2mm up= 4mm total
The stroke down ward needs no modifications, just at the top,
and since we can't add to the cyl bore or raise the block with a spacer
you either move the wristpin higher in the piston or go with shorter rods.
Hope that helps 
Johnbull- Removeing the balncers in your case might hurt your application,
it would lose pull, since your car probably is much heavier than us on our bikes.
But the motor would spin up better without, plus you get better oil pressure
without the balancers.
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kawasakijockey
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posted April 09, 2009 05:53 AM
What Halve is saying is the piston will travel 4mm farther on the down stroke only. The piston top height has technically been lowered 2mm when the pin was moved up. The BDC stroke adds 2mm more totalling 4mm.
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kawboy4ever
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posted April 09, 2009 07:36 AM
quote:
What Halve is saying is the piston will travel 4mm farther on the down stroke only. The piston top height has technically been lowered 2mm when the pin was moved up. The BDC stroke adds 2mm more totalling 4mm.
Ok Ok I understand. I wasnt catching that part.
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Seven
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posted April 14, 2009 08:56 AM
I got a good bit of time this past weekend to spend in the shop since i was on call and couldnt really do much. I started off with getting my head cleaned up and all my new APE valve springs, spring seats and retainers installed. The toughest part of this was getting the OEM spring seats out but like everything else after time i got it.
After i was done with the head i started back on the motor. I got my studs all installed ready to drop on the head. I was reading on some other thread about how people put them in and so i called APE and they say use thread-lock ,tighten them down and then troque down to 12-15 ft/lbs. With theses APE studs your head bolt torque is increased from stock of 52 ft/lbs to 70 ft/lbs.
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