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posted February 14, 2009 01:02 PM
"The front section (from the engine to the Muffler) is constructed of an aerospace quality ultra-light stainless steel. The Alien Head© package comes with an Alien Head© muffler. (Note: the baffle in the Alien Head muffler is NOT removable) The total system weight is just over 9lbs."
  
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smokinZX14
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posted February 14, 2009 01:21 PM
Don't mind me guys  I like talking to myself It just seems all the info i have posted in the last three years , 1000s of passes and testing other pipes and parts falls on deaf ears at times ...
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 01:21 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 14 Feb 2009 21:21
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Glad to help.
Here's one more from an angle just a little closer to the ground.
Here is a picture of mine. You can see what I am talking about. The M14 does have more clearance:
I'm not saying that it is a critical difference; I'm just clarifying my concern.
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 01:23 PM
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Don't mind me guys I like talking to myself It just seems all the info i have posted in the last three years , 1000s of passes and testing other pipes and parts falls on deaf ears at times ...
I've read most of what you have posted. Unfortunately you never were able to test an M14. It was due to your testing that I avoided the older style Muzzy pipe.
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posted February 14, 2009 02:19 PM
my gen3 shorty stainless streetsmart system will be here this week. I'll weigh it as soon as it gets here. obviously, the aluminum is going to weigh a little more than the ti or cf, but it should give you some sort of an idea.
My scale is dead on with the scale that we have at medical. it isn't sensitive enough to weigh the pipe by itself, but i can weigh myself with and without holding the pipe. i just did it with the smeg conversion and here's what i gathered. my weight was 184.4 measured 3 times with the same results each time. holding just the mid pipe i weighed in at 185.2 3 times in a row with no changes. my weight holding the smeg can with baffle in gave me 188.6 3 times in a row, and with the baffle out it gave me 186.4 lbs. that means that leaves us with this...
mid pipe ----- .8 lbs
smeg w/ baffle--- 4.2 lbs
smeg no baffle----2 lbs
hope this helped a little. my guess would be that your best bet for weight savings would be a short meg with no baffle.
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 02:28 PM
Thanks, Bawls. I guess the only question now is the header weight....
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Bawls
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posted February 14, 2009 02:30 PM
mine is supposed to be here tuesday, so i'll update you as soon as i get it.
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gilberjj
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posted February 14, 2009 03:52 PM
dang.... I wish I would have weighed my m10 system. What is so much better about the m14 compared to the m10?
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 03:56 PM
The M14 header. The M10 is the muffler design. You can get an M14 header with an M10 megaphone muffler....
Originally the M10 was the old style header with the short megaphone muffler.
Confusing, I know...
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gilberjj
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posted February 14, 2009 04:22 PM
cool, well I know I have the m10 muffler, how do I know which header I have (I bought it used).
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 04:24 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Feb 2009 00:27
Look at the photo of my header (prior page), and compare it to yours. You could also measure the OD of the header collector; it is smaller on the old style header. The M14 is 2 1/4" OD at the collector.
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Shane661
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posted February 14, 2009 05:06 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, exhaust-wise:
Is the muffler and mid-pipe design that important? I notice that Brock said no power change with or without the baffle. Well, with no baffle it's a straight pipe, right? No backpressure?
So, would it run the same with just an open header?
Not that I would want to run that way, but I'm curious....
Shane
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posted February 14, 2009 05:32 PM
Of course Brock would need to answer that question himself about his product. I don't know what his "baffle" consists of and/or what it accomplishes.
I have yet to see a "baffle" of any kind make the same power as a muffler and/or megaphone that is run without one. I'm talking more or less power. Of course "open" megaphones (if we are talking megaphones) require different mapping/fueling to maximize the difference in flow/backpressure than if they have a baffle installed.
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posted February 14, 2009 08:26 PM
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Shane i have slammed my 14 down to many times to count from 12:00 oclock and NEVER hit the pipe ...Drain plug YES pipe NO ...Hit a speed bump and hit the drain plug but not the pipe ..3 years with the same pipe and no dents ..Trust me if anyone rides their bike harder the me let me know ..Tonys TI Force hit the ground everytime we rode ..Made some pretty sparks too ....
Look i don't work for Brocks or Muzzys and i pick Brocks because of this > 8.77 @154 ..
Hey Smokin, what about my 8.74 with Muzzy M14 sidewinder? 
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smokinZX14
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posted February 14, 2009 09:31 PM
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Shane i have slammed my 14 down to many times to count from 12:00 oclock and NEVER hit the pipe ...Drain plug YES pipe NO ...Hit a speed bump and hit the drain plug but not the pipe ..3 years with the same pipe and no dents ..Trust me if anyone rides their bike harder the me let me know ..Tonys TI Force hit the ground everytime we rode ..Made some pretty sparks too ....
Look i don't work for Brocks or Muzzys and i pick Brocks because of this > 8.77 @154 ..
Hey Smokin, what about my 8.74 with Muzzy M14 sidewinder?
You are just faster than me ....
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posted February 14, 2009 09:31 PM
Just keep it! either way i think you would be satisfied. I enjoyed my m14 and it sounded sweet. Dont waste the extra dough.....next time around go with brocks.(Just to try something different).
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posted February 14, 2009 09:32 PM
key word there... sidewinder aren't you also sitting at like 69" or someshit? i'm sure 5 more inches of wheelbase doesn't hurt either if you can hook up.
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smokinZX14
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posted February 14, 2009 09:44 PM
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Another thing I'm curious about, exhaust-wise:
Is the muffler and mid-pipe design that important? I notice that Brock said no power change with or without the baffle. Well, with no baffle it's a straight pipe, right? No backpressure?
So, would it run the same with just an open header?
Not that I would want to run that way, but I'm curious....
Shane
Brock told me all the power is in the header , i found that to be true in cars also .. I have run mine at the track same day with and without the baffle and ran the same numbers back to back .. Other than sounding cool i didn't find any difference...That was with the same map so maybe just maybe mapped for the open pipe might make more ? You can only move so much air so maybe with the baffle inplace moves pleanty allready .. Now maybe with a big bore or stroker that story could change ..
I can tell you that with my Brocks sidewinder the bike picked up MPH over the Smeg but no real ET change ..So would the Sidewinder be better for the mile ?
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posted February 14, 2009 09:47 PM
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key word there... sidewinder aren't you also sitting at like 69" or someshit? i'm sure 5 more inches of wheelbase doesn't hurt either if you can hook up.
Bawls he is just pulling my leg ...Everybody knows i did my 8.77 at 62 inch wheel base ..
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posted February 14, 2009 10:13 PM
i'm just razzing him a little lol. BTW... my wife disagrees lol. She told me that 5 more inches would hurt quite a bit when hooking up lmfao.
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posted February 15, 2009 02:48 AM
Shane, this is just my personal approach....but I hate to change something up for the same basic thing, when its debatable if its marginally (or any) better, when I can take that same grand and put it into something else very cool (and new) for my bike. I'd put the money towards some sweet rims...maybe stash it away for a turbo kit, motor work ect. Why lose money buying something thats not really going to do anything new for you? I am all about maximizing my dollar tho too......if you have the moola, and just want to play around for a diff look I can understand that as well 
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posted February 15, 2009 05:01 AM
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I can tell you that with my Brocks sidewinder the bike picked up MPH over the Smeg but no real ET change ..So would the Sidewinder be better for the mile ?
I really wanted to give a Sidewinder a try. But the problem is that there are some right hand bends to be made at Maxton. I don't think I could safely take them with the Sidewinder.
I know of one person who has run a Sidewinder at Maxton, successfully. I'm just not sure that I want to risk it. If you wind up in the wrong spot on the track you won't be able to lean the bike over to correct it.
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Shane661
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posted February 15, 2009 05:13 AM
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Shane, this is just my personal approach....but I hate to change something up for the same basic thing, when its debatable if its marginally (or any) better, when I can take that same grand and put it into something else very cool (and new) for my bike. I'd put the money towards some sweet rims...maybe stash it away for a turbo kit, motor work ect. Why lose money buying something thats not really going to do anything new for you? I am all about maximizing my dollar tho too......if you have the moola, and just want to play around for a diff look I can understand that as well
I was more thinking about the weight savings. 4 lbs. is really big, believe it or not. It's not easy to find a big chunk of the weight like that.
But I agree, it is hard to justify when I already have a pretty good exhaust.
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posted February 15, 2009 05:36 AM
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Thanks for the pic. It is hard to judge without seeing the side view.
Shane
Shane,
I switched out my Muzzy M14 for the Brocks and noticed a few differences right from the beginning. First was the wall thickness like smokin said. The Brocks walls are considerably thinner. The second difference was the way the header, midpipe and exahust hugged the bike. My Muzzy system didn't fit as tight especially near the can. At this point the Muzzy exhuast was furthest.
Once the AH was on and the map was loaded there was question in my mind which sounded and ran better. My opinion of course.
Not sure if this pic will help more.
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bigdtd
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posted February 15, 2009 05:53 AM
pull the trigger you know you want it! i think the shorty meg with the removable baffle will give you the most versatility. i have the street meg and have landed quite a few times hard with no clearance issues and i'm 260+
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