Obba
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posted January 25, 2009 12:39 AM
I think the rider is at fault.
Two guys out for a ride. One crashes!
His mate openly crosses a double yellow line to over take a SUV type car. Behind, our subject wonders a while, whether to do it or not. And he does....
It seems as though the SUV cuts across him....
1) He does in fact cross over the double yellow line, before the point of impact.
On closer inspection, the SUV driver puts on the brakes a touch as the first bike has a go. No doubt, the driver of the SUV is wanting to turn left. But the driver sees 'a' bike overtaking and as the bike passes, the brake lights come off.
Then you can see the brake lights come back on again, as the SUV driver slows down for the corner and makes the left turn...
The SUV driver does not appear to Indicate for the left turn. However, the rider doesn't 'see' the braking of the SUV before and after his mate passes, and he (to me), decides to go for it...but over a double yellow line...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aee_1230093165
It might be brief and quick - that's all it takes though.
I don't think a failure to Indicate a turn would override an overtaking of a double yellow line?
  
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xstatik121
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posted January 25, 2009 04:26 AM
thats one thing that urkes the shit out of me with all these cagers and riders which causes ALOT of accidents.... USE YOUR FUCKING TURN SIGNALS!!!!
ok after the rereading your post and watching the vid again, I would have to say the rider is at fault for passing on the double yellow.... BUT if the cage would have used a turn signal the ride probably would NOT have passed... bad decision on the rider imo...
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eklipse636
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posted January 25, 2009 05:20 AM
Even tho the suv should have had his turn signal on the bike shouldn't have passed on double yellow...
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posted January 25, 2009 06:16 AM
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Even tho the suv should have had his turn signal on the bike shouldn't have passed on double yellow...
I agree. Anyone else notice the yellow left turn sign just before the accident?
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bawls
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posted January 25, 2009 07:06 AM
Rider is at fault. I see it all the time out in the canyons and admit that I have done it before myself, but at my own risk and knowing the consequences of what could happen. Both times that I've done it have been on my way to the dragstrip stuck behind the same old indian guy in a chevy luv going 25 mph through the canyon and it took all of about .3 seconds to blast by him probably almost giving him a heart attack. Would have sucked if something happened though.
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posted January 25, 2009 07:20 AM
Have to agree with Bawls. If you pass on the double yellow you are accepting the risk that goes with it.
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posted January 25, 2009 07:37 AM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 25 Jan 2009 15:39
Both at fault BUT ..i see to many driveways and would count on the SUV on turning ... I'd would had follow until no turn offs(driveways) and then pass ..then when i caught up to my friend and we had stop ...I'D TOLD HIM WHAT A DUMDASS FOR PASSING with all them driveways ...
so accident would never have happen to me... gotta count on people being morons
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Some Guy
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posted January 25, 2009 11:04 AM
The first thing I saw, even when the first rider passed, was the yellow left-had turn coming up. The 2nd rider passed right in front of it. Not a thinking individual.
The next thing I noticed, or failed to see, was the 2nd rider slamming on his front brake. At the speed he was going, a firm and fast grip on the front brake and he probably could've avoided the acident. We live on our front brakes.
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posted January 25, 2009 09:59 PM
biker at fault... let's face it... we are on a 2 wheeled vehicle that has NO protection other than the rider's brain. We need to ride defensively out there. If you take chances... you WILL get burned. When you ride, you always have to figure that the vehicle is going to turn at the worst possible spot. I had a guy ram on his brakes in front of me, and then turn toward the left and park. He was looking for a road that wasn't there. He took up the whole road at that point. They have no idea (and don't care) that we are behind them. Now I will admit I don't live on canyon roads that I keep seeing videos of guys passing everyone on curves etc.. so I am a bit of a prude... I admit that, but is it worth your life to take such risks? We all have avoided accidents by expecting these drivers to drive like idiots... so I believe that this accident was avoidable if the biker just used more defensive driving. What are the most common accidents to bikes... I believe it is still cars turning in front of them. Obviously a turn signal would have made a huge difference... but any time a vehicle is passed, we need to realize that they may not see us AND they will do the unexpected. Both would be 'at fault' as far as legality goes... but I still believe that many accidents are avoidable. JMO
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posted January 25, 2009 10:08 PM
Edited By: dubious on 26 Jan 2009 06:11
Of course the rider is at fault... he broke the law...
The cager never used their signal, but the bike passed on double solid.
I have ridden my bike damn fast, many fast miles, but there is a tima and place for it , and residential roads are not it... how many driveways and streets intersect with that road...
There is a time and place for everything... use your heads!
Save your lives.
Empty roads with no intersections is a good start if you want to have some fun.
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Ninja_Knight
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posted January 26, 2009 01:45 PM
There are plenty of instances where cagers deliberatly mess with bikes, but I do not think this is a time. The bike crossed a double yellow without as much as a toot of his horn, or anything. Impatience is the Devil's fuel!
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posted January 26, 2009 09:14 PM
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There are plenty of instances where cagers deliberatly mess with bikes, but I do not think this is a time. The bike crossed a double yellow without as much as a toot of his horn, or anything. Impatience is the Devil's fuel!
Devils Fuel!
Exactly,
ride defensively, never expect them to see you, and ride at a safe pace for the conditions
I may be preaching to the choir here,
..... I was involved in 1 street bike accident when younger-18 yrs old.
impatience, lack of responsibility and maturity, self control, and lack of fear were all contributors... the lady in th box van cut me off, but I could have easilly prevented it if I had the right mentality... that was 20 years ago now....no accidents since. Knock on wood.
Its got more to do with maturity, and experience than anything... I was skilled then, had faster reflexes, but no fear...
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