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posted January 25, 2009 01:51 AM
Wheel Thread
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Though we have been graced with an overabundance of power, Kawasaki thought it would be fine to throw stupid heavy wheels on the 14. While I don't have money for bst's or any aftermarket forged wheels, post up pics, comments and opinions here. This is also a thread to discuss wheel alternatives such as gsxr 1000 wheels, hayabusa wheels, zx10 and zx6 wheels.
  
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posted January 25, 2009 01:55 AM
I'll start off with some info that I've gathered. Here is a thread on another forum discussing this.
http://www.zx14ninja.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=12075&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
From masszx14:
"I just spent a bit of time on Kawiforums and ZXforums
reading threads about wheels and axle sizes.
The guys there have Classifieds sections where people
part out bikes on daily basis and have discussions about
what's compatible among the different years/ models ninjas
all the time.
The 06-09 zx14 uses the same size front axle as 07-08 zx6
and 06-08 zx10- that is 25mm. The 300 mm front rotors from
the zx14 are a direct bolt on to the 07-08 zx6 front rim and are
a very popular mod for those guys.
What finally convinced me to go ahead and get the zx6 rim was
the photos/ threads of a guy with a silver 07 zx6r that was using
07 zx14 SE front rim for a while and told me it's a direct bolt on-
rotors and spacers.
I'll post some pics of my new front as soon as I find my camera,
hope I didn't loose the thing Rolling Eyes"
I really like the idea of getting some zx10 or zx6 wheels, but I have one question....... will a zx10 or zx6 REAR wheel work for the 14?
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posted January 25, 2009 12:04 PM
I would like to see some weights of these alternative wheels for comparison. Anyone got the data?
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posted January 25, 2009 12:45 PM
the gsxr wheels have been said to drop up to 7 pounds for the rear, and 3 or 4 for the front. The zx6/10 front wheel will drop 4 lbs, but I'm unsure if the zx6/10 rear wheel is a bolt up affair like the front. Either way it's a quick and easy way to drop sprung weight.
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posted January 25, 2009 09:00 PM
No I lost 9 lbs on the rear, including the drive hub, and the front was under 1 lb lost, with the gsxr wheels. They are not a simple swap, as the axle diameter, fork spacing, rotor spacing, and sproket spacing all must be considered.
The easiest is the zx6/ zx10 frt, and if yousearch kawi parts fiche axle sizes are listed, I can't remember if its 04-05, or 06-07 zx10 that is the same axle sixze for the rear.
I would imagine you would drop 7-10 lbs total with the zx swap.
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posted January 25, 2009 09:02 PM
I was going to go with a set of aftermarkets and while I would love to have a set of BST's they are just too salty. I was really considering Galespeeds, they are priced right and are a forged aluminum. As I thought more and more though I ended up just having the stock wheels powdercoated. This was not only the cheapest way out but since I spend quite a bit of time at the track I am not sure I really want to take any weight of off the front end of the bike. It may be a blessing in disguise for us dragracers to have these heavier wheels.
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posted January 25, 2009 09:24 PM
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I was going to go with a set of aftermarkets and while I would love to have a set of BST's they are just too salty. I was really considering Galespeeds, they are priced right and are a forged aluminum. As I thought more and more though I ended up just having the stock wheels powdercoated. This was not only the cheapest way out but since I spend quite a bit of time at the track I am not sure I really want to take any weight of off the front end of the bike. It may be a blessing in disguise for us dragracers to have these heavier wheels.
More rotating mass is a "blessing" on the drag strip? Quite the opposite on the race track....
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posted January 25, 2009 09:56 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 26 Jan 2009 05:57
Rotating mass is not a blessing anywhere... it takes up to 6 times the energy to turn rotating weight... depends on the moment of inertia....
Put some ballast in the axle, under the fender or in the fairing to keep the frt end down, but reduce the weight of your wheels... especially at the rim, and the tire...
Win Win situation..
Check this out...
I already removed 10 -12 lbs off the wheels going to GSXR...
any question what my next big $$ items will be...
http://www.oppracing.com/products/782-bst-carbon-fiber-rims/
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posted January 25, 2009 10:04 PM
I just did some business with OPP and they were super..... 
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posted January 26, 2009 01:06 AM
Edited By: BobC on 26 Jan 2009 09:55
Are there any issues with the strength of ZX6/ZX10 wheels?
Sprinting and top speed runs must load them to the extreme, I remember Robert Dunlop's problem with (I think) a Marvic wheel collapsing on the Isle Of Man, a real nasty accident. Also some time back I read about Iannucci's Ducati which they bought some very expensive wheels for and if my memory is correct, when they were tested they were found to be only fit for "hanging on the office wall". There's a lot more to wheels than whether you can make them fit the bike.
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posted January 26, 2009 04:11 AM
quote:
Rotating mass is not a blessing anywhere... it takes up to 6 times the energy to turn rotating weight... depends on the moment of inertia....
Put some ballast in the axle, under the fender or in the fairing to keep the frt end down, but reduce the weight of your wheels... especially at the rim, and the tire...
Win Win situation..
Check this out...
I already removed 10 -12 lbs off the wheels going to GSXR...
any question what my next big $$ items will be...
http://www.oppracing.com/products/782-bst-carbon-fiber-rims/
Great Site a Lot of parts, High Dollar carbon wheels, Look Trick. I will wait and see if they are Really Safe for Hard Street use. Wheelies and Burn outs??
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posted January 26, 2009 05:36 AM
Without doubt BST's are the dog's dangly bits but the original poster explained that he didn't have that kind of money, that's why we are talking about ZX10 wheels etc.
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posted January 26, 2009 06:55 AM
I run the 07 zx6r front wheel, which is lighter than the 07/ 08 gsx-r 1000 front wheel. As far as weight/ strenght of the zx6 wheel- my bike is roughly 60- 65 lbs. lighter than stock and will be dropping another 10 lbs. with a new speedcell battery very soon. I'm 185- 190 lbs. fully suited to ride- weight is not an issue for me. There's no 2 up on the bike either, I'll never get my girlfriend to ride with me. I've had around 1 K trouble free miles with the 6 wheel and the bike turns much better. The gsx-r 1000 rear wheel is lighter than the zx6/ zx10 rear wheel, it might be just 1 lbs. (probably more though, don't want to be guessing numbers here) , but it is lighter. Properly spacing out the gsx-r wheel with it's larger axle is no bolt on though, same problems are to be had with the zx6/ zx10 rear- both rotor and sprocket sides will be quite off. The only benefit would be the matching axle size and not having to enlarge your swingarm slots and trim axle blocks etc. Again though- the gsx-r rear is slightly lighter. Unless you're able to tackle all this on your own with the rear wheel, you're going to end up dropping the $$$ at a shop like I did.
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gilberjj
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posted January 26, 2009 01:24 PM
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The gsx-r 1000 rear wheel is lighter than the zx6/ zx10 rear wheel, it might be just 1 lbs. (probably more though, don't want to be guessing numbers here) , but it is lighter. Properly spacing out the gsx-r wheel with it's larger axle is no bolt on though, same problems are to be had with the zx6/ zx10 rear- both rotor and sprocket sides will be quite off. The only benefit would be the matching axle size and not having to enlarge your swingarm slots and trim axle blocks etc. Again though- the gsx-r rear is slightly lighter. Unless you're able to tackle all this on your own with the rear wheel, you're going to end up dropping the $$$ at a shop like I did.
So to get the zx10 wheel on a zx14 you need a larger brake and the use of a zx10 sprocket?
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posted January 26, 2009 01:46 PM
This guy knows about wheel weight loss 
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posted January 26, 2009 01:48 PM
It is definately not going to be a bolt on. Here's why:
The liter bikes use a 220 mm rear rotors, the zx14 uses a 250 mm.
The zx14 rotor will not bolt on a zx10 wheel, not on a gixer wheel either.
You might be able to use a zx10 break caliper hanger, but that's certainly
not going to be a bolt on either- the liter bikes have their calipers facing up
for better lean angle. The zx14 has it's rear caliper hanging below the swingarm.
The zx14 hub will not bolt on the zx10 wheel. Proper sprocket alignment will be
impossible without major hub alterations.
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posted January 26, 2009 01:50 PM
What about this guy on the 636
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posted January 26, 2009 02:06 PM
Masszx14 What battery are you talking about exactly? I would love to lose 10lbs in just a battery swap
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posted January 26, 2009 02:15 PM
pm Dubious about the battery, he has the inside.
The zx14 spec for the street weighs only 1.67 lbs.
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posted January 26, 2009 02:26 PM
Minor threadjack. Here are some pics of the battery:
http://www.sportbikeworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=658736#post658736
Not sure if that is the one for the ZX-14, but you get the idea.
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posted January 26, 2009 02:28 PM
Back on topic, I will have accurate weight differences posted comparing the GSXR wheels to stock very soon.
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posted January 26, 2009 02:46 PM
I want one of those batteries... someone do a writeup on them so that the rest of us know how well they work.
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posted January 26, 2009 09:02 PM
Edited By: dubious on 27 Jan 2009 05:07
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Back on topic, I will have accurate weight differences posted comparing the GSXR wheels to stock very soon.
Shane
Shane, since we are innaccurate, please include the wheel finnished with rotors, cush hub and sproket...
I saw the front within 2lbs < closer to 1 I think, and the front was almost 9 lbs lighter on the gsxr with all the gear on it.
I only have a digital bodyweigh scale, the gimmick one with the bodyfat measurment built in, you program your height, it takes your weight and is suppposed to send read resitance through your body from your feet... and figure out how much is fat ...which is totally BS by the way..
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posted January 26, 2009 10:23 PM
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Back on topic, I will have accurate weight differences posted comparing the GSXR wheels to stock very soon.
Shane
Shane, since we are innaccurate, please include the wheel finnished with rotors, cush hub and sproket...
I saw the front within 2lbs < closer to 1 I think, and the front was almost 9 lbs lighter on the gsxr with all the gear on it.
I only have a digital bodyweigh scale, the gimmick one with the bodyfat measurment built in, you program your height, it takes your weight and is suppposed to send read resitance through your body from your feet... and figure out how much is fat ...which is totally BS by the way..
I wasn't really saying that in response to your measurements. My rough measurements showed about 1 lb. on the front and 6 lbs. on the rear. But I had tires on the wheels. I'd rather check them bare.
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