SteveWFL
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posted November 25, 2008 10:22 AM
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Ehren
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posted November 25, 2008 10:25 AM
I am new to this stuff so i dont really know where to take it. and the delarship already has the engine and bike torn apart so i already owe them about 1200.
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Ehren
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posted November 25, 2008 10:33 AM
Another friend told me it would be cheaper to buy like a stroker kit and have another shop finish it. But this shop already has already tore the whole thing apart.
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SteveWFL
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posted November 25, 2008 10:39 AM
Ehren, there's some great advice to be had on this forum. One guy mentioned a used motor?
Good luck getting your bike fixed.
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Ehren
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posted November 25, 2008 10:59 AM
Yeah but my thing is if i buy a used motor from a private seller whos guaranteeing that the motor will last and is good all i have to go by i his word and i cant trust that. if i have this one rebuilt i atleast have a limited warrenty on labor.
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1badzx12r
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posted November 25, 2008 11:20 AM
DON'T BET ON THE WARRANTY FROM THE DEALER ON LABOR...can always use the owner abuse stuff again
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pazx14rider
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posted November 25, 2008 08:11 PM
go to muzzys website they sell stock engines too
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ninja12
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posted November 25, 2008 09:33 PM
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I am new to this stuff so i dont really know where to take it. and the delarship already has the engine and bike torn apart so i already owe them about 1200.
$1200 for a tear-down? How much is their hourly rate, $200+ per hour?
$5000 to rebuild a stock engine?
Run !!!!!!!!!!
That price is BS! Call Kawasaki customer service, they may be able to help you with them. Cut you losses and get away fast.
If you feel you must take this screw job, get a detailed estimate on what it will cost to replace that engine with a used engine. You can buy 2 used engines for $4000, and sell your extra parts to save even more.
You are new here, some of us have been here for years, and have a lot of experience . You are in the right place to get good help, don't be affraid to take it.
Tell us where you are located, so we know who is close by.
I gave you 4 options, take some time to research each before you make a decision.
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countersteer
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posted November 25, 2008 09:44 PM
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I wanna know what everyone thinks because so far the bill is about $5000
option 1.....buy a $2000 engine, pay someone to install.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-ZX14-Motor-Engine-ZX-1400_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a1Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330289428601QQitemZ330289428601QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
sell the good parts off your engine and send me $1250 as half of the $2500
i just saved you.
option 2.......send the engine to a site sponsor for some serious upgrades for the same money. where are you located?
option 3.......start parting the entire bike. add the $5000 and get you a new 09, leftover 08.
, or used bike already modded, and then send me 1/2 the money you saved.
many good used bike in the $8k range.
option 4. grab you ankles and let that dealer go to work on you. 
id go with option #3, and i agree the dealer is fucking you.
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Ehren
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posted November 26, 2008 05:56 AM
they said there hourly rate is $80 and the job is about 30 to 40 hours to complete it. they already have around 10 just with pulling the motor and tearing it down.
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CrotchRocket
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posted November 26, 2008 06:04 AM
What dealer is this...Give the name and address!!!
Sounds to me they are sticking it to you without any lube
What the Fuck is a peach gel, maybe it's me, never heard that one before???
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Shane661
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posted November 26, 2008 06:09 AM
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Sounds to me they are sticking it to you without any lube
What the Fuck is a peach gel, maybe it's me, never heard that one before???
I think the peach gel IS the lube.
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ratbyk
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posted November 30, 2008 03:00 PM
Here are a couple of low mileage ZX14 motors on ebay right now! I would go with one of those rather than a dealer questionable rebuild.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Motorcycle-Parts-Accessories__Kawasaki-ZX14-Motor-Engine-ZX-1400_W0QQitemZ330289428601QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2863QQddiZ2811QQadnZMotorcycleQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item330289428601&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Motorcycle-Parts-Accessories__Kawasaki-ZX14-motor_W0QQitemZ320320311994QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2863QQddiZ2811QQadnZMotorcycleQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item320320311994&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting
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MADKAWZX14
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posted November 30, 2008 03:19 PM
Wow, one thing for sure, option 4 should be off the table!!! My 07 is modded to the hilt with everything except turbo and no problems. When my ZX11 spun 10 years ago, I punched that thing out and started killing R1's. Upgrade your motor and go have fun playa.
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MJ
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posted December 01, 2008 02:51 AM
 Edited By: MJ on 1 Dec 2008 10:58
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I wanna know what everyone thinks because so far the bill is about $5000
Retain a lawyer and have him notify kawi and the dealership. They'll fix your bike. They're just testing you to see if you'll go away and take the ass-raping or if your a fighter. Its a common corporate strategy...everybody does it..especially insurance companies. In the end the ones that skulk off and take the loss make it a worthwhile business strategy for the corporations. They don't care whether its under warranty or not...they just want to test your chin so to speak 
And I have to add the dealer is ripping you off worse than I've ever heard. They obviously think you don't know whats going on and are trying to clean you out :o Times are tough and they sound like a bunch of crooks trying to make some easy money...
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SteddyTeddy
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posted December 01, 2008 05:03 AM
10 hours just to tear the bike down. LOL What does the mechanic only have one arm? LOL
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Some Guy
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posted December 01, 2008 08:08 AM
In my recent experience with a bad motor I saw some of the same, but not that bad.
My two local dealers were clearly reluctant to jump into it. The first one I left it with farted around for month before even pulling the clutch cover off. After much frustration I took it from them, stuck it in a trailor, and brought it out to where I bought from.
I must say that dealership was very classy about the way they handled it. All I was required to provide was proof of oil changes during the first 1200 mile oil changes.
I contacted them often, (annoyed), but couldn't speed up the process. In a conversation with the guy who sold me the bike, I was told the dealer doesn't get paid well for warranty work. So you can see where this is going.
If possible, I'd try and take it somewhere else. Sometimes we all rub someone the wrong way, no point in beating it to death...
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NINJA12
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posted December 01, 2008 09:11 AM
I'm still lost at how the main bearings took out the rod, and piston, but not the cases.
If it did take Gomer 10 hours to tear it down. That estimate is going to be a little
low when he tries to put it back together. Might want to leave instructions on what to do with the extra parts.
Some small shops contract out their Engine work. Builders price plus the standard 100% dealer markup, then everything makes sense.
This would be funny as hell if it wasn't a true story.
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ratbyk
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posted December 01, 2008 12:54 PM
I'm still lost at how the main bearings took out the rod, and piston, but not the cases.
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When the mains go bad you loose oil pressure to the rods. When the rod bearing goes the extra clearance at the big end allows the whole assembly, (rod &piston) to travel farther up the bore. The piston then slams into the head and is damaged/destroyed.
The big question is, why did the mains fail? In my experience this only happens if you run low in oil/do extended wheelies while low in oil so the oil pump pick up is sucking air, use an oil of the wrong viscosity could be to thin or away to thick, drop the oil, change the filter and forget to put new oil in and run the engine for awhile waiting for oil pressure to build(which it never will). The shop/mechanic who did this will never admit to it!!!
Still think you should be getting warranty from Kawasaki. If not hire a lawyer. He will be cheaper than the bill from this dealer. If you not willing to do either then buy one of those low mileage motors on ebay.
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NINJA12
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posted December 01, 2008 02:29 PM
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I'm still lost at how the main bearings took out the rod, and piston, but not the cases.
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When the mains go bad you loose oil pressure to the rods. When the rod bearing goes the extra clearance at the big end allows the whole assembly, (rod &piston) to travel farther up the bore. The piston then slams into the head and is damaged/destroyed.
The big question is, why did the mains fail? In my experience this only happens if you run low in oil/do extended wheelies while low in oil so the oil pump pick up is sucking air, use an oil of the wrong viscosity could be to thin or away to thick, drop the oil, change the filter and forget to put new oil in and run the engine for awhile waiting for oil pressure to build(which it never will). The shop/mechanic who did this will never admit to it!!!
Still think you should be getting warranty from Kawasaki. If not hire a lawyer. He will be cheaper than the bill from this dealer. If you not willing to do either then buy one of those low mileage motors on ebay.
You saw this WITHOUT the main bearings turning in the cases , causing case damage?
I have seen exactly what you're saying, but the cases went everytime.
Contact Kawasaki customer care department, they can help you.
Dealer #1 treated me like yours $400 for the basket + labor even with extended warranty, I took it to dealer #2 who fixed my busted clutch basket for the price of an oil change.
I later found out that dealer #1 fixed my bike bike also. WTF.
Good luck with a lawyer. I think your money would be better spent on a new dealer or builder.
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ratbyk
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posted December 01, 2008 04:26 PM
You saw this WITHOUT the main bearings turning in the cases , causing case damage?
I have seen exactly what you're saying, but the cases went everytime.
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You loose the cases if the main bearing shells seizes to the crank and spins inside the case main bearing saddles. This will happen if you continue to run the engine long after the noises start. If you shut it down as soon as the noises start you don't normally loose the cases. The case failure will also take place if you stop and start the engine a few times after the trouble starts and the main bearing shells seize onto the crankshaft as it cools down. When this happens though the starter has a hard time cranking the engine as it tightens up. Good clue not to crank. Also when you are running an engine that you feel is starting to tighten up, Shut it down, don't think it will heal it's self by by doing a red neck tune up and try reving the shit out of it.
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justoyz2
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posted December 01, 2008 06:04 PM
Ehren,
There set time lines they must adhere to when they charge. The rebuild a motor they can only charge your for around 5 to 7 hours. The same goes for installation and removal.
I think you need to call another shop and ask for the duration of the jobs and reengage their prices.
I think the best for you is to have your crank repaired by the marine company (250) call Chris Jones performance (chiefland, fl) and get you a set of stock rods and pistons for a little or something.
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Stalwart
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posted December 01, 2008 06:23 PM
http://www.rocketrunusa.com <== perhaps this will help?
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MJ
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posted December 02, 2008 11:39 PM
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http://www.rocketrunusa.com <== perhaps this will help?
Thats messed up Wart
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Ehren
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posted December 04, 2008 08:41 AM
Ok I went to the Dealarship today they said Kawasaki is going to do nothing about it and I also took another Mechanix in to look at the motor. He showed me that it was actually a rod bearing that spun and not a main bearing. So i presented that to the delarship and they simply said oh what did we tell you. The total price to fix is $2900 all they took of was 18% or $250. Then they offered me a new 09 Kawasaki and said they would give me $3000 i told them they were crazy. Never again will i buy a Kawasaki Product or from that Dealarship. Sad to i have been a loyal kawasaki buyer.
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