johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 16, 2008 04:26 PM
Bad Dyno map? traction Sucked WTF!
Put BMC filter on, Extensions (64" wheelbase) and new Dyno map
ok so i went to the track, but from a little test ride i suspected traction problems(1/8mi. burnout at least) but hoped the vht would make the difference. I was wrong!!! I have a diablo tire on it cause they wouldn't put it on the dyno with a shinko. I suspect suspension setup is wrong but already rubbed a hole in the undertail so i stiffened it up.
1.Can i get a good track setup and still street ride with factory shock?
2.will a shinko stealth tire fix the traction? Do i get the ultra soft?
3.If several #'s(most) in your map like the 80% & 100% 8-11k are the same u had b4 they made your map did they give me a crap map? which was a muzzy map i had played with (is it possible my guessing got all those cells right? isn't that like picking lotto #s? most the changes were at the 2-20% 2-6k which did help low end transitions
4.Should they have started with a zero map and built it from there?
5. How could my 1/8mi speed be up and 1/4mi speed be down? I think they didnt map my top end right(got in a hurry), i had the pclll map in advanced so they tried to dyno it twice but wouldnt take till the owner figured out that it had to be a basic map it order for it to take. So it was on the dyno way to long 3 runs
lowering links in last hole
64 1/2" wheelbase
17/43
212lbs w/gear
tried different tire pressures started @ 28, then 25,20,15 still couldn't leave
bike is slower than last year with stock filter, wheel base and a box map
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
   
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 16, 2008 05:43 PM
i think i need to talk to someone that knows these bikes, i live in the sticks in the middle of Texas its a split between Dallas and Houston, 110mi either way no one here know's anything
i want to talk to someone thats drags this bike and knows what is going on (Rickey Gadson wont take my call) LOL
pm me if interested i will give ya my #
heck if you take visa i will pay
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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Bently
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posted March 16, 2008 05:58 PM
Your going to need an ultra soft shinko at your wheelbase before you find traction. last year I was 62 inches at 216 unsuited and had 1.44 60 fts. But it still took a long burnout and about 12 to 15 lbs air in the ultra soft before I would hook consistant.
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 16, 2008 06:17 PM
Usoft is the trick. Worked for me this weekend.
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mark524
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posted March 16, 2008 07:01 PM
just like they said ultra soft shinko is awesome and cheap. I'm around 300 lbs suited and still have to run anywhere from 10-12 psi to hook.
as far as your map, alot of times the dyno operator wants to make the most hp on the dyno, but sometimes the map isn't optimal for the track because of the ram air. If you already spent the money on the dyno session, try adding a couple percent in the upper rpms at 100% and see if it picks up, it may be lean.
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 16, 2008 07:46 PM
 Edited By: johnnyrocketzx14 on 16 Mar 2008 20:51
would i be better off buying another rim and using the shinko track slick? would it hook better?
i could just change tires for the street. i was just thinking the more air pressure i could keep in the tire the more MPH i would have at the other end. True?or not?
does anyone use the gear trim feature on the multi-hub ? i thought i could use the dyno map and add a little for each gear... or at least the top 3 gears when the ram air starts to work
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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BlackMagic14
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posted March 16, 2008 08:46 PM
If it hooked before the dyno session and wont hook now then they got you more power that is why it aint hookin... get a U-soft 003 and it will hook!
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 17, 2008 05:29 AM
not the case, gained almost nothing on the dyno , its stretched now which is the traction problem my dyno map is almost exactly the same map i had b4 ( i got ripped off, i know it) i will call the owner of the shop today and tell him my disappointment to see if he wants to do anything bout it
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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dubious
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posted March 17, 2008 07:31 AM
If it was close to begin with, then you didn't get ripped off, it was optomized!
How does the a/f ratio look, did you get a copy of that with the HP figures?
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 17, 2008 07:47 AM
Edited By: johnnyrocketzx14 on 17 Mar 2008 08:49
yes AFR did flatten out with the dyno map, i just found it hard to swallow that it was that close. It was my first dyno experience, i feel i learned alot but not sure on a few things. when they run through the rpm's at lets say 100%throttle it will sometimes not populate all cells right?( i realize certain sections don't apply like 1k @100% doesnt matter, just like 2% @ 11k you will never be there )Then its up to the operator to go back over that section to get it right?
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted March 17, 2008 09:38 AM
Not necessarily. In actuality the only proper way to fully customize your map is to take it to the street with a laptop hooked up to record, and a wideband O2 sensor installed. Then you slowly optimize every part throttle setting. Thats how the manufacturers do it. Cars and bikes for that matter. They have engineers driving around in test beds in all weather conditions and elevations constantly adjusting it to the proper A/F ratio for the conditions. Took a month of driving around the country for the LS2 in the Corvette to be "dialed in" for example.
At the dyno, they simply are trying to give you the most power for any set RPM. Which cant and doesnt account for Ram Air, or any other variable involving external airflow.
Which is why places that get very good maps charge you for them, or require you to buy the PC III from them to get the map. And why having a VERY good base map to start with is important.
But the best thing you can do is buy a wideband O2 sensor and adjust as you go. That way you can know if the Ram Air is running you lean. And when the weather changes, you can make micro adjustments in the A/F to keep it optimized.
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hardcoremass
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posted March 17, 2008 03:28 PM
This sounds very familiar. I have virtually the same set-up, 64", lowering links at second hole, and Michelin Pilot Power. Increased suspension to overcome my weight and had major problems hooking up during heavy acceleration. Backed suspension off and made a world of difference!
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 24, 2008 06:22 PM
yep backed off suspension and hooked like a champ, best 60' ever and 1/4mi. too bad i have rubbed a huge hole in my under tail. i guess i will have to raise links up a notch
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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