posted March 12, 2008 07:39 AM
200HP = 200MPH? what will it cost me? My ultimate goal, from the day I bought my 14, was to hit 200mph at a sanctioned event, with a nearly identical setup to what I would drive on the street (minus mirrors, lowered and MAYBE race gas). By my clueless guestimate, I figure I will need at least 200 rwhp to do it.
I'm 6'5", 320 pounds suited, with NFL linemen sized shoulders that make great air dams... I figure thats about as bad a match as a horse jockey getting into boxing but - I want that 200mph mark! Have wanted to hit that number on a bike since 1988, and the 14 will be the tool.
Sooo, what do you guys think? I dont want to nitrous, but I am willing to tear into the motor if it's too install a Muzzy or other reputable kit. I dont want to use an extended arm because my fat ass has one distinct advantage: I WILL get traction and keep the front end down.
Have: Racetec springs, Muzzy lowering links, PC III w/ flies out, Two Brothers slip-ons, plenty of rear wheel ballast.
I Know I Need: Full Smeg (or equivelant), ceramic bearings, steering damper, BMC Race, different sprockets to get past the limiter, and a diet.
Uncertain About: General rules and requirements at the events such as headlights out or taped, mirrors off, flush mount blinkers off or taped? etc.., what the requirements are for my gear: what grade leather? Or even textile? Steel toed boots? What shock settings to use? Salad or the Steak?
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posted March 12, 2008 07:45 AM
320 pounds ..200 hp is not going to make it at that weight ... .Brock had 197 hp and fell short of 200 at his weight .......If i were you i would be thinking turbo......Cheapest bang for the buck in my book .......
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posted March 12, 2008 07:51 AM
Agree with Smokin, aerodynamics are as important as bhp at high speed. You will need a race-seat and a re-design of the fairing to stand any chance.
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posted March 12, 2008 07:58 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 12 Mar 2008 08:59
Yeah was wondering about the seat. If I could sit lower it would help. Was undecided on a double bubble windscreen: could it handle the airflow at those speeds without cracking or shaking itself to disbonding death? Was also wondering about narrower clip-ons. But again, my shoulders are already as wide, or wider, than the ends of the bars...
What HP number should I be shooting for? And gearing for that matter. I wanted to retain the handling for my mountain road jaunts and a turbo doesnt fit into that unfortunately. I might just have to go nitrous
Also, being in Washington State I dont know of any timing event within a thousand miles of me. And thats the salt flats. I know the setup will be alot different on salt, with the tire spin, rough ground, etc. Any tips?
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posted March 12, 2008 08:04 AM
You guys saying I cant expect to get the extra power out of a 14 engine without compromising its streetable reliability? I 'heard' of 210-215 hp kits out there that didnt require a friendly dyno to make it so... And I will have to use MR9, wont I?
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posted March 12, 2008 08:13 AM
a good start would be my nitrous, smeg, and drag seat.....
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posted March 12, 2008 08:19 AM
Sticks, I am a big guy myself, It is not really the power that is an issue but the aerodynamics, with that said you will need the power to compensate for the HORRIBLE aerodynamics. I would think that you would need at least 220 HP on motor AND THEN a shot of nitrous to bootyour best bet is a turbo, I hate to say that cause I know what its like to have a dream but at our size I think the only realistic way is gonna be a BIG motor or a turbo.
posted March 12, 2008 08:29 AM
Dont know... if I could scoot back far enough on the seat it would help.. but damn, I think you are right. I always get the hell beat out of me even hitting 175 (188 indicated stock gearing). No matter how far I try and push myself into the tank, my big ass head just cant get that low.
Hmm. Wonder if the stock pistons/rods could handle a super shot of 100hp nitrous for the required 2 passes?
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posted March 12, 2008 08:34 AM
stock bottom end is good for $300 HP.
pistons are iffy at 100 hp shot if I recall correct
Colby adams is the king of big shot and zx14....
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posted March 12, 2008 08:51 AM
Or what I'm leaning towards now: a 200-210 honest RWHP with a 50-75 shot of juice to hit 200. Sound fair?
Jeez... who woulda thought it would take that much more power to go from 188 to 200mph? lol I've never even been to 188 yet, so I dont even know if it will do that modest number with me onboard. Though I've been 188 indicated twice, and there was still plenty of power left. Just not enough clear flat and straight road.
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posted March 12, 2008 09:04 AM
yeah I do. And some of our planes are bigger than your house, and TAKE OFF at those speeds! Apples and Oranges...
I just assumed an extra 30-40 hp would be all it takes, ya know?
Oh well, theres allways my next life time goal: Being the midget wrestling champion of the world! "Get in my mouth!" "Baby back, baby back, baby back ribs!"
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posted March 12, 2008 09:53 AM
Edited By: BobC on 12 Mar 2008 10:54
I got 205mph with 192 rear wheel bhp but I'm only about 190lbs in shorts and 5' 11'' tall.
I did change to a double bubble screen and to be honest I don't think it made that much difference. The biggest problem is getting knees and shoulders tucked in. I considered a race-seat too but what I really need is to get my chest lower and when it's already down on the tank that's the limit without modifying the bike. Some of the riders running Hayabusa's in our club have cut down tanks and lowered seats, they are big guys and it seems to work for them.
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Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
posted March 12, 2008 11:17 AM
Yeah I was thinking about that gas tank. Even laying on it I still feel like I'm way up there, unlike every other bike I've owned. I just dont want to lose too much fuel capacity. I've never seen a cut-down tank for sale, do you have to custom make it Bob?
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posted March 12, 2008 11:30 AM
why just a mile? get it out on a longer stretch and hold it wideopen, with a speedohealer you are there, in the 200 mph club
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quote:Yeah I was thinking about that gas tank. Even laying on it I still feel like I'm way up there, unlike every other bike I've owned. I just dont want to lose too much fuel capacity. I've never seen a cut-down tank for sale, do you have to custom make it Bob?
I haven't seen one done for a ZX-14 yet, just Hayabusa's. I was hoping to pick up a tank from a write-off and try chopping it.
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Stock wheelbase
Max: 205.4 mph in 1.25 miles
2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
posted March 12, 2008 11:50 AM
Good Idea! Keep me posted, and dont forget pics!
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posted March 12, 2008 01:00 PM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 12 Mar 2008 14:02
Figured it should be able to. But stock cams? And what about moving the redline up to 12 or 13K? Do they make aftermarket heads? I couldnt locate any when I looked. Just stuck with porting...
ALSO: I need to know what the real costs are with all the ideas you guys are tossing around. Hard to pick a direction when I dont know the ballpark figures.
And another: a 520 chain conversion? Works wonders on my friends 636 and R1. Dont know about reliability though.
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posted March 12, 2008 01:28 PM
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posted March 12, 2008 03:19 PM
Edited By: Halvefast on 12 Mar 2008 16:20
Sticks- You and Lie2me are in the same boat, he is your size and is planning to attack the TexasMile when he gets back from overseas.
First if you still want a really drivable streetbike here should be your plan:
If you go turbo, all you will need is to install any of the stage one kits on the market, they all produce plenty of power to get you there.
However you will need a double-bubble to hide behind, and an extended swingarm 5-6" min., lowering & gearing all a must .
Don't cut the seat for you, your body won't bend like that, slide your butt way back on the seat, remove the rear cowl, lay your back as flat as possible.
You'll also need an airshifter due to you won't be able to reach shifter in this tucked position. Cost to do this: $7000-8000 if installed by shop
Second, if you go the route of building the engine. Headwork, pistons, dry nitrous kit with electronics.
This will make a drivable streetbke with out adding length to the bike. Really you just want to do this as a one time thing, right?
A good port job with SS package will run around $2500, add pistons to handle the Nitrous pressure, $650-750, lowerend is strong on these bikes=(195-210Hp).
Add in a 70-80shot of nitrous at a cost of $1000 with electronics to make it really safe. Cost = $4500, and you can sell off the nitrous stuff later and still have a really strong streetbike afterwards.
Next either way you go it will take lots of laps, just to get a good riding style down.
Just my opinion, hope this will help.
You are 70lbs. heavier than me so it will take a bit more in ponies to get you there. I had 225Hp to get my 250lbs. just barely to 200mph.
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posted March 13, 2008 06:16 AM
Edited By: Tool man on 13 Mar 2008 07:20
quote:yeah I do. And some of our planes are bigger than your house, and TAKE OFF at those speeds! Apples and Oranges...
I just assumed an extra 30-40 hp would be all it takes, ya know?
Oh well, theres allways my next life time goal: Being the midget wrestling champion of the world! "Get in my mouth!" "Baby back, baby back, baby back ribs!"
Sticks..I'm right there with ya on the size deal.
Weight does not slow top speed down only the time and distance it takes to get there..
It's that whole air presure sq with speed quotant
AIR... it's a drag don't ya know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics)
So many people work on the HP factor when approaching a top speed project.
Many more MPH will be found by reducing drag...Maybe a cone shaped helmet ??:d
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posted March 13, 2008 07:59 AM
Why would a turbo be bad for some weekend twisty riding ? 260 HP on pump gas for under 4500 bucks ...I see no draw backs ... Will maybe 130 MPH wheelys ...lol.. ____________
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