Silver08
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posted March 07, 2008 09:09 PM
Muzzy 1530 Stroker
just wondering if anyone has tried this combo yet, and their results.
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Silver08
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posted March 07, 2008 09:12 PM
Rob, what kind of maintenance is required this this setup?
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RobMuzzy
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posted March 08, 2008 08:58 AM
Same as stock. Depends on how hard you run it.
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BlackMagic14
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posted March 08, 2008 10:34 AM
Mr. Muzzy, I'll take one LOL
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bundy
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posted March 08, 2008 11:50 AM
so it can be used on street.
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FasterThanStink
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posted March 08, 2008 06:18 PM
 Edited By: FasterThanStink on 8 Mar 2008 18:19
Then put a turbo on it!! 
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dubious
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posted March 08, 2008 07:51 PM
the overbore won't like the heat, and the limited head gasket area won't like a turbo very much... I wouldn't advise
stroker turbo... if you could keep the rod angle (rod / stroke ratio) and have enough land above the rings would be ideal... not likely either though....
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Silver08
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posted March 08, 2008 08:58 PM
if i was going to build a serious turbo bike i would do carrillo rods, and stock bore, low compression pistions.
Ok, Rob, for someone who rides 50-75miles a week, and makes 6-8 passes two or three times a month. With just frequent oil changes, would it hold together, or does it have to be torn down too often to check bearings?
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Silver08
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posted March 09, 2008 09:10 PM
nobody has any experience?
has anybody put some miles on a stroker 14?
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smokinzx14
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posted March 10, 2008 06:02 AM
quote:
nobody has any experience?
has anybody put some miles on a stroker 14?
I sure have not tried it but sure would like to try it .. If it was me i would leave it stock bore and just do the stroke ...I'm not a big fan of big over bores ...But i love strokers !!!! Both my cars have 500 inch motors and my street car has seen street duty since 1979 with zero problems .... A stroker done right will live a long and happy life on the street .... Look at the new Busa , all it is is a 2 mill stroker kit .... If heat is a problem just add a second fan like the new Busa....Take note : When i do any stroker motor i bump up the volume of oil in the pan and up the weight of the oil also ...Remember oil is a coolant also , more oil more cooling.....
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zx14mike
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posted March 10, 2008 09:27 PM
Smokin, are you seriously considering it, i'll say this people have been curious about the big bore and stroker kits for years, if you are seriously considering it we should get a bunch of us who are interested in a real world unbiased test of the kit to help sponsor you.........maybe Muzzy could help as well, it seems like there is a lot of interest in this kit.........i know i'm interested but would like to hear an unbiased and knowledgable test to gage the performance and reliability.
I'm serious i'll contribute $50-$75 if we could get 10-20 people to do the same and if Muzzy gave you a deal for the advertising and excitement and most likely increased sales the test would generate it could be a win win for everyone.
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RobMuzzy
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posted March 11, 2008 07:37 AM
We have sold many 1530 kits. Apparently none of them live on this board or they want to keep it secret. I would not think any extra maintenance would be necessary. If you are running the stock ECU you are limited to stock rpm. The high rpm associated with race engines is what creates the extra ware. We rev our Pro Stock engine to 14000 rpm and see no excessive wear. We of course only run 7 seconds at a time on the track, but we have hundreds of dyno runs.
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BobC
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posted March 11, 2008 07:54 AM
There's a stroker in the UK (ZX-12R) owned by Mike Grainger. It's his everyday bike and it has been over 200mph countless times. It's the Class 3 record holder in our club at 216 mph and It just keeps on going. The secret is that it was properly built by Brian Capper. I'm absolutely sure a Muzzy stroker would be as reliable if it was put together with sufficient care and attention to detail.
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smokinzx14
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posted March 11, 2008 07:56 AM
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Smokin, are you seriously considering it, i'll say this people have been curious about the big bore and stroker kits for years, if you are seriously considering it we should get a bunch of us who are interested in a real world unbiased test of the kit to help sponsor you.........maybe Muzzy could help as well, it seems like there is a lot of interest in this kit.........i know i'm interested but would like to hear an unbiased and knowledgable test to gage the performance and reliability.
I'm serious i'll contribute $50-$75 if we could get 10-20 people to do the same and if Muzzy gave you a deal for the advertising and excitement and most likely increased sales the test would generate it could be a win win for everyone.
I would love to do that .... I would post up all the ins and out of this big kit ...ETs and MPH and streetablity for everyone to see ....
But since Muzzy is selling so many of these kits he doesn't need me .
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87gtNOS
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posted March 11, 2008 08:11 AM
I think smokin' already has one!!!
shh, it's secret!
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smokinzx14
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posted March 11, 2008 12:15 PM
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I think smokin' already has one!!!
shh, it's secret!
lol i'll never tell ....lol.... 
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted March 11, 2008 12:30 PM
lol back at you then. I was gonna donate to the cause.... but I guess you dont like free money do you... lol
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Silver08
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posted March 11, 2008 01:32 PM
I have an OSR oil pan on my 14 now, but it has slightly less capacity than stock. Is there a pan that allows more volume than stock, AND allows a regular under the pan pipe (brock, muzzy, etc). with the Adams billet pan, you have to use a sidewinder.
Smokin, what kind and weight oil, and what oil change intervals would you think?
Remember, my bike sees a good bit of street miles, maybe some traffic every once in a while.
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BlackMagic14
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posted March 11, 2008 03:39 PM
Silver08, not to sound like a broken record LOL but their will be a billet pan available soon through RPM that will have higher capacity than stock and will work with a regular exhaust price will be less then 500 call Jason at RPM the number is 870-863-4630, tell him Matt Works referred you
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posted March 12, 2008 01:34 AM
I have no secrets to keep...I will be ordering the complete stroker package including cams, springs etc.... from Mr. Muzzy within the next few weeks . I am in the process of building the website for the bike build and all will be able to see the ground up building of my concept ZX14 and will post the web address here rather than post pictures here. Hint : The bike being built is drag race specific only.
As far as the reliabilty of the MUZZY stroker kits for my ZX12 clients, attention to detail and proper assembly and fitment have rendered no issues, but a lot smiles and broken busa hearts.
Mr. Muzzy's products are of the highest quality available and with the R&D that he and his staff put into the products, the only weak link will be the engine builder ,not his products.
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smokinzx14
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posted March 12, 2008 07:13 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 12 Mar 2008 08:15
quote:
I have no secrets to keep...I will be ordering the complete stroker package including cams, springs etc.... from Mr. Muzzy within the next few weeks . I am in the process of building the website for the bike build and all will be able to see the ground up building of my concept ZX14 and will post the web address here rather than post pictures here. Hint : The bike being built is drag race specific only.
As far as the reliabilty of the MUZZY stroker kits for my ZX12 clients, attention to detail and proper assembly and fitment have rendered no issues, but a lot smiles and broken busa hearts.
Mr. Muzzy's products are of the highest quality available and with the R&D that he and his staff put into the products, the only weak link will be the engine builder ,not his products.
Great news !!! let us all know how it turns out ....
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smokinzx14
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posted March 12, 2008 07:38 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 12 Mar 2008 08:39
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lol back at you then. I was gonna donate to the cause.... but I guess you dont like free money do you... lol
Don't take me wrong here I am very greatfull about the Bikeland members offering their cash to do this build ....Money is not that easy to come by these days.... But i just can't bring myself to take money from other bikeland members... Call me crazy but that is the way i feel about it ...My next tests will be ported head and a set of cams for the zx14 ...A big bore or stroker will have to wait till i get more funds...Also i will be working with Brock on my new zx10....All this comes out of my pocket so when I tell you it works or doesn't work you will be able to trust the info given ...
Smokin..
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posted March 12, 2008 09:14 AM
If you check zx14 website there's a post on the first muzzy stroker i did for one of the guys on my race team,Devils racing. The bike has 6k miles on it since the kit was installed. I wish i new where the bearing worries are coming from,a stroker is only hard on brgs if the angle you put on the rod/crank setup. Some of the guys cut corners and the crank itself is inferior causing brg falure. I can assure you this is not the case with muzzy's kit. The only problem we had was heat, which some 14s run warm anyway but i modified a second fan to run with the stk one, Problem solved. You may be a little surprized at the hp #s even with a good head and cam set up but the torque is very good. The real test was the 1/4 mile times this bike runs. The bike runs a whole lot better then the HP #s would suggest. I would recommend this kit to anyone. Bill.....
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted March 12, 2008 09:30 AM
Good info Bill. Just reinforces what most of us know: You talk horsepower, you race torque! I bet that bike has one helluva kansas flat torque curve doesnt it? Got any numbers for us?
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billeason
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posted March 12, 2008 10:04 AM
I'M searching for the actual dyno runs, and time slips so as to not rely on this old man memory. This fellow runs very few races at the track,if you no what i mean! I don't condone it but to each is own. I do however know the bike is ridden on the street and ridden hard,Its maintaned religously i know we service it. AS for torgue Sticks' hit it wright on the head if you ride this thing you would swear its on the juice at idle on up to redline. I will do some searching and post back later. Bill....
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