stu64
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posted July 22, 2007 05:13 AM
60' tecniques??
Whats the best way to improve 60' times? Currently launching at about 4500rpm
no wheel spin, seems as soon as the clutch is fully out i can hear/feel a bog
in the engine.
60' 1.624
330' 4.243
1/8 6.334 117.39
1000' 8.150
1/4 9.701
Bike is +7" lowered in rear , front NOT strapped.
Have a strap need to get brackets.
I have video of my runs but having trouble getting them to load here.
  
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mark524
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posted July 22, 2007 10:15 AM
if it's bogging, you need to either slip the clutch more, or gear it lower. gearing it would be better.
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Wheelie
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posted July 22, 2007 10:19 AM
regear, and watch your videos, you can see where you can improve. wee
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posted July 22, 2007 10:30 AM
 Edited By: Wheelie on 22 Jul 2007 11:30
when I had a stock wheelbase I had to slow my 60's to 1.59-1.63 to run my best times, any lower and it wanted to wheelie to quick. wee
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 12:03 PM
stu64 can you give us a little more info on you set up ...+7 over should be about 65 inch wheel base ... Are your flys out ? What gear ? What do you weight ? What fuel? What pipe and map? Air filter in or out? Without that info it hard for us to help you ..Smokin
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smiddy1
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posted July 22, 2007 01:04 PM
Until stu gets back, here's my problem(s). 64", flys out, 16/44, 250 suited, 89 pump gas, brock gen 3 street map (forgot to switch to race map at the track), filter in, all 5 hd schnitz springs, tension full soft, rebound full soft, stock spring very,very tight, no strap( I have one), forks pulled up thru trips 1 3/4", lowest hole on roaring toyz links (2 1/2"), air shifter, 003 ultra soft (15lb.).
Launching @ 5 & 6k bike would go about 10-15 feet and come up kinda quick, it wouldn't snap up, just a lil faster than I like. Killing my 60's. It felt as if it had to much squat. The tire would not slip one bit. I didn't know if I should loosen up the spring and go harder on the tension or not. I know I need allot more seat time, it was the first time to the track since last year and all the changes. Also need to slide the clutch more.
60's- 1.6739 - 1.8509 I feel asleep on some, track switched to led's, fighting wheelies.
330's- 4.3449 - 4.5088
1/8th- 6.4810 - 6.6558
mph- 112.51 - 114.85
9 runs for the night, I know there all over the place, but I did start getting consistent, too bad it was consistently slow. I have a 40 dry shot on itbut I don't even want to hit that until I get my shit together on motor.
Anyone have any pc #s for a 40 shot, I have a map switch so I don't want to use the buttons. thanks
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 04:07 PM
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Until stu gets back, here's my problem(s). 64", flys out, 16/44, 250 suited, 89 pump gas, brock gen 3 street map (forgot to switch to race map at the track), filter in, all 5 hd schnitz springs, tension full soft, rebound full soft, stock spring very,very tight, no strap( I have one), forks pulled up thru trips 1 3/4", lowest hole on roaring toyz links (2 1/2"), air shifter, 003 ultra soft (15lb.).
Launching @ 5 & 6k bike would go about 10-15 feet and come up kinda quick, it wouldn't snap up, just a lil faster than I like. Killing my 60's. It felt as if it had to much squat. The tire would not slip one bit. I didn't know if I should loosen up the spring and go harder on the tension or not. I know I need allot more seat time, it was the first time to the track since last year and all the changes. Also need to slide the clutch more.
60's- 1.6739 - 1.8509 I feel asleep on some, track switched to led's, fighting wheelies.
330's- 4.3449 - 4.5088
1/8th- 6.4810 - 6.6558
mph- 112.51 - 114.85
9 runs for the night, I know there all over the place, but I did start getting consistent, too bad it was consistently slow. I have a 40 dry shot on itbut I don't even want to hit that until I get my shit together on motor.
Anyone have any pc #s for a 40 shot, I have a map switch so I don't want to use the buttons. thanks
smiddy1 sounds to me that you are on the right track...Your mods are good for your weight .... Only thing i see is you need to strap the front end ... and and and seat time but you allready know that ..  If the track is hooking with a strap pulled down tight you can put the air up to 17 to 18 psi and that wil help with MPH ..smiddy1 I have to tell you i had real problems trying to 60 foot with the HD springs , it caused me not to have any clutch feel ...The stock clutch springs even at your weight will work just fine and you will be able to slide ( work) the clutch better.... Do yourself a favor don't spray the motor till you get a handle riding the bike on motor ....Smokin..
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stu64
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posted July 22, 2007 04:11 PM
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stu64 can you give us a little more info on you set up ...+7 over should be about 65 inch wheel base ... Are your flys out ? What gear ? What do you weight ? What fuel? What pipe and map? Air filter in or out? Without that info it hard for us to help you ..Smokin
flys out, 17/41, pump gas 93 octane, tsugigi full system with map for it, stock filter/screen removed, about 172lbs. suited.
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 04:38 PM
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stu64 can you give us a little more info on you set up ...+7 over should be about 65 inch wheel base ... Are your flys out ? What gear ? What do you weight ? What fuel? What pipe and map? Air filter in or out? Without that info it hard for us to help you ..Smokin
flys out, 17/41, pump gas 93 octane, tsugigi full system with map for it, stock filter/screen removed, about 172lbs. suited.
Ok that helps ......First get a 16 tooth front sprocket and at your weight one up in the rear will help also ( 16/42 )....Next use 89 pump and not 93 ...89 will make more power than 93 ....Next you know what i'm going to say >>> seat time and more seat time .... Smokin...
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stu64
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posted July 22, 2007 04:41 PM
16t is on the way from schnitz,just didn't make it here before the weekend.
I'll have it strapped next trip to the track also.
thanks Smokin'
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 04:43 PM
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16t is on the way from schnitz,just didn't make it here before the weekend.
I'll have it strapped next trip to the track also.
thanks Smokin'
You are very welcome ... 
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stu64
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posted July 22, 2007 05:03 PM
Edited By: stu64 on 22 Jul 2007 18:04
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posted July 22, 2007 06:11 PM
Edited By: Halvefast on 22 Jul 2007 19:16
2 things I can see the reaend is too soft and set too high, and frontend is unstrapped.
Get it lower and it will install more confidence, so you can leave harder.
Lower CG makes a world of difference, don't you agree Smokey?
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 06:21 PM
I see ............ Strap that puppy down low and stage at 5500 and get that throttle pinned right when the clutch is out . Get your chest on the tank and say tucked in ......Smokin...
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 06:25 PM
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2 things I can see the reaend is too soft and set too high, and frontend is unstrapped.
Get it lower and it will install more confidence, so you can leave harder.
Lower CG makes a world of difference, don't you agree Smokey?
Yes 100% .. on the money ...
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smokinzx14
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posted July 22, 2007 06:29 PM
Turn up the sound and hear my motor ...This is the sound you want to hear on your leave ..
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smiddy1
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posted July 22, 2007 07:46 PM
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Until stu gets back, here's my problem(s). 64", flys out, 16/44, 250 suited, 89 pump gas, brock gen 3 street map (forgot to switch to race map at the track), filter in, all 5 hd schnitz springs, tension full soft, rebound full soft, stock spring very,very tight, no strap( I have one), forks pulled up thru trips 1 3/4", lowest hole on roaring toyz links (2 1/2"), air shifter, 003 ultra soft (15lb.).
Launching @ 5 & 6k bike would go about 10-15 feet and come up kinda quick, it wouldn't snap up, just a lil faster than I like. Killing my 60's. It felt as if it had to much squat. The tire would not slip one bit. I didn't know if I should loosen up the spring and go harder on the tension or not. I know I need allot more seat time, it was the first time to the track since last year and all the changes. Also need to slide the clutch more.
60's- 1.6739 - 1.8509 I feel asleep on some, track switched to led's, fighting wheelies.
330's- 4.3449 - 4.5088
1/8th- 6.4810 - 6.6558
mph- 112.51 - 114.85
9 runs for the night, I know there all over the place, but I did start getting consistent, too bad it was consistently slow. I have a 40 dry shot on itbut I don't even want to hit that until I get my shit together on motor.
Anyone have any pc #s for a 40 shot, I have a map switch so I don't want to use the buttons. thanks
smiddy1 sounds to me that you are on the right track...Your mods are good for your weight .... Only thing i see is you need to strap the front end ... and and and seat time but you allready know that .. If the track is hooking with a strap pulled down tight you can put the air up to 17 to 18 psi and that wil help with MPH ..smiddy1 I have to tell you i had real problems trying to 60 foot with the HD springs , it caused me not to have any clutch feel ...The stock clutch springs even at your weight will work just fine and you will be able to slide ( work) the clutch better.... Do yourself a favor don't spray the motor till you get a handle riding the bike on motor ....Smokin..
1 thing I spotted today is that I was hitting the undertail (tigertail), I couldn't believe it. I know I have to tighten up the tension now. On a good note I still wasn't hitting the fuel pump. Will do on the clutch and strap and go from there. Not hitting the nos till I get where I need to be. Thanks.
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 22, 2007 10:07 PM
I am 285 and I run 3 of the HD springs 5 was way to much pressure even with the 50 shot at 250 pounds I would go with maybe 2 of the HD springs that will make a HUGE DIFFERENCE I PROMISE
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stu64
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posted July 23, 2007 03:08 AM
I think i may have been distracted at the beginning of the run.......
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THEMADKAW
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posted July 23, 2007 05:07 AM
i think changing your rear rebound setting to full hard will help you alot! when you have it set on full soft when the bike launches and squats the shock imediately tries to stretch back out pushing the entire bike up. you need to slow that down. make the bike stay down through the whole 60' and rise slower.
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stu64
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posted July 24, 2007 03:22 AM
Ok guys another question, how do you lower the rear more without hitting the fuel pump?
Does the pump really sit that low or is the plastic cover just made that way?
I have my links in the center hole now. And my air tank lines come out of the swingarm
right there on top too.
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smokinzx14
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posted July 24, 2007 08:10 AM
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Ok guys another question, how do you lower the rear more without hitting the fuel pump?
Does the pump really sit that low or is the plastic cover just made that way?
I have my links in the center hole now. And my air tank lines come out of the swingarm
right there on top too.
I have mine in the lowest hole or setting ( Muzzy links ) and my fuel pump does not hit ....The little nipple or drain on the undertail hits the swing arm but not the pump.....Remember i only weight 150 pounds but i have seen heavier riders set up the same way and they are not hitting the pump either... I have had my pump out many times and seen NO damage .. So there must be some wiggle room between the pump and the plastic cover ...Smokin..
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flatoutbu
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posted July 24, 2007 11:55 AM
.....another thing i seen you should pull all the way thru the water box before you start your burn out. When you spin the tire in the box you fling water into the undertail that could drip back down on your tire. You do need to get your chest on the tank and your feet back. You got the clutch out alittle fast that's why you had the bog....or it could have been very humid that day and the bike wasnt making good power. Goodluck...
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 24, 2007 10:35 PM
flatout is right you do not want to pull through the waterbox you dont want your front tire getting wet now do you??? Go around and back into itand roll out as you start the burnout... Smokin do you do your burnouts in 1st or second gear? Also Smokin just an estimate is fine but when you were at 63in about how far into the run before you had your clutch all the way out??? Do you dump it then feather it back in to control wheelies and spin or do you slowly disengage aver like a second or two I guess a distance would be easier "all the way out by the 60 foot mark or before or slightly after"???
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stu64
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posted July 25, 2007 03:06 AM
I back into the water box and only enough to hit the wet area, i haven't had any problems with tire slippage. Only one run where i got out of the tire lanes.
Sprocket came today and i'll make up strap brackets at work today.
No track time this weekend, i almost feel bad about it. This shit is addictive for sure...
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