tru195
Novice Class
Posts: 64
|
posted June 21, 2007 02:19 PM
maybe not suzie but my bettsie pulled her eery time. Or did you forget that I sold the 14 so I didnt have to lead anymore?????????? But soon as in sunday , once again I will be stuck with the quickest 50 to 195mph bike and may have to go down to a ex 500 to play with you guys more fairly.
  
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted June 21, 2007 02:31 PM
charlie the squid is a troll
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 21, 2007 04:35 PM
quote:
charlie the squid is a troll
No, not the same Charlie. Charlie is a friend of mine who has the same memory disorder as Tru195. Both good guys though. Just need faster bikes, so they can hang out.
____________
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 21, 2007 04:44 PM
 Edited By: zx1kr on 21 Jun 2007 19:57
quote:
maybe not suzie but my bettsie pulled her eery time. Or did you forget that I sold the 14 so I didnt have to lead anymore?????????? But soon as in sunday , once again I will be stuck with the quickest 50 to 195mph bike and may have to go down to a ex 500 to play with you guys more fairly.[/quote
Never denied your 14 was fast (just as fast as mine, when you were'nt on the spray.)
The GSXR1K, sorry dude but my R1 will give it a problem now. lol.....
Did I mention the spray is going on the 14? Do you remember what we got with your half-assed set-up, untuned & way lean? What was it 240HP at the rear wheel? I'm bringing the video camera next time, gonna give you the jump & video you getting reeled in ! lmfao....
I can see that next sunday there is going to be ALOT of crying going on, you better ask Charlie if you can borrow his book.... lol...
____________
|
tru195
Novice Class
Posts: 64
|
posted June 21, 2007 06:46 PM
I guess your right about that R-1. It stays right there almost through all of second gear before throwing out the anchor......... Just make sure a 636 isnt behind you when we take off, I wouldnt want it to smack you in the ass.!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 21, 2007 06:57 PM
Whatu sayin' Willis?
____________
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted June 21, 2007 07:14 PM
didn't make much sense :P
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 21, 2007 07:32 PM
Yea, he's alway's had alittle trouble forming coherent sentences after he's taken his medicine.
____________
|
Marc Salvisberg
Parking Attendant
Posts: 21
|
posted June 22, 2007 01:01 PM
quote:
I just dynoed 2 bikes, an 07 GSXR1000 & an 04 R1. Both lost HUGE amounts of HP!
Took the Factory Pro stacks out & both bikes were restored to full power.
Does anyone have actual dyno results that were positive from these stacks as a mod.
Ok -
Now that you've tuned the bike.... like about 10 people told Dave to do -
So - post the gsxr1000k7 dyno charts so we can all see the difference between a modified, untuned 07 gsxr1000 with Factory Pro V 50mm Stacks and a modified, retuned bike with the Factory Pro 50mm stacks.
As you've said, it's only rough tuned and results might be better if fine tuned.
I guess we'll see your customer, Dave Ricci, posting the dyno charts on gixxer.com, too -
Marc
____________
Marc Salvisberg
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted June 22, 2007 01:22 PM
this whole velocity stack thread is squidish.
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 22, 2007 03:28 PM
Ok -
Now that you've tuned the bike.... like about 10 people told Dave to do -
So - post the gsxr1000k7 dyno charts so we can all see the difference between a modified, untuned 07 gsxr1000 with Factory Pro V 50mm Stacks and a modified, retuned bike with the Factory Pro 50mm stacks.
As you've said, it's only rough tuned and results might be better if fine tuned.
I guess we'll see your customer, Dave Ricci, posting the dyno charts on gixxer.com, too -
Marc
No, the Nitrous was only rough tuned(not optimized). The stacks were done completely, Dave has the dyno sheets & will post them. Marc, I'm gonna tell ya. You handled the situation in a less than ideal manner. I have never spoken to you so, I can only go by what I got from Dave. But, I know when I sell a product that is created & is exclusive to my shop, sell it to a customer. Then, that customer has a serious issue with said product & wants to return it. Well, that is what 25% restocking fees are for. Would've saved everyone alot of headaches. As far as the R1 was concerned, I didn't even think twice about the stacks(just thought the R1 was alittle on the soft side w/140HP) until this happened w/ Dave's GSXR1k.
At that point, I pulled the stacks & retuned to pick up an additional 10HP.
____________
|
tcchin
Zone Head
Posts: 867
|
posted June 22, 2007 05:14 PM
So Factory Pro's product is alleged to lose "HUGE" power, then it's proven to make power, and Marc is still the asshole? Personally, I purchase a lot of Factory Pro products and I've never had a bad experience with them or with the personalities at the company. I have used other products, and even had sponsorship from competing companies, yet I find myself coming back to Factory Pro.
Obviously, we don't know anything about the correspondence between Marc and the customer (Dave?), so it's impossible to save if there was some conflict there. As Charlie noted, Marc is not known for being exceptionally tolerant, but he is certainly not an asshole. And he knows a thing or two about tuning a motorcycle.
|
tru195
Novice Class
Posts: 64
|
posted June 22, 2007 05:42 PM
First off Marc claimed on his website drop in stacks with no tuning and gave hp increase claims. I called and asked to make sure about the claims, was put on hold and then told yes you will get gain with no tuning.
The p/c was not even out yet and would not of purchased if they needed tuning. Installed stacks and they loss huge power.
Called Marc to see if they sent the wrong ones and he said you need to tune them. I said your site says otherwise and so did the guy from your company. Marcs reply was get them tuned then call me.
The only reason I bought them and had them overnighted was the fact that you did not have to tune them since the p/c was not out for 3 weeks after buying.
I said just give me back my money, I sent the dyno sheets showing the loss and Marcs response was to" update his website saying that tuning was now needed to make gains if bike has pipe or any other mods done."
I never heard back again. So once getting the p/c we tuned the stacks and posted results as we said we would with gains in the mid range after tuning and a loss in peak rpm power. They claimed an increase mid and up top with no tuning.
So yes Marc is an asshole and should be ashamed of how he handled this mess and tried to blame a customer for simply believing his website and personel.
I'm sure his kids wouldnt be to proud of daddy handling things like this. He is smart though he had others do all his work R and D and post honest results even though Marc is an asshole.
The results have been posted on the gixxer site for days. Funny how Marc the pennis posts now after almost 6 weeks only after seeing that people finally were able to get some ponnies out of his stacks. But we did the right thing in posting the truth and lies of his product. Anyway subject now is finally closed. Results are you need to buy a p/c and you will gain 3 to 4 hp in the mid range and lose 5 to 8 hp from 12,000 to 13,200 rpms. Wow hopefully someone tests there stuff before making false claims next time!
|
zx1kr
Pro
Posts: 1301
|
posted June 22, 2007 06:17 PM
quote:
First off Marc claimed on his website drop in stacks with no tuning and gave hp increase claims. I called and asked to make sure about the claims, was put on hold and then told yes you will get gain with no tuning.
The p/c was not even out yet and would not of purchased if they needed tuning. Installed stacks and they loss huge power.
Called Marc to see if they sent the wrong ones and he said you need to tune them. I said your site says otherwise and so did the guy from your company. Marcs reply was get them tuned then call me.
The only reason I bought them and had them overnighted was the fact that you did not have to tune them since the p/c was not out for 3 weeks after buying.
I said just give me back my money, I sent the dyno sheets showing the loss and Marcs response was to" update his website saying that tuning was now needed to make gains if bike has pipe or any other mods done."
I never heard back again. So once getting the p/c we tuned the stacks and posted results as we said we would with gains in the mid range after tuning and a loss in peak rpm power. They claimed an increase mid and up top with no tuning.
So yes Marc is an asshole and should be ashamed of how he handled this mess and tried to blame a customer for simply believing his website and personel.
I'm sure his kids wouldnt be to proud of daddy handling things like this. He is smart though he had others do all his work R and D and post honest results even though Marc is an asshole.
The results have been posted on the gixxer site for days. Funny how Marc the pennis posts now after almost 6 weeks only after seeing that people finally were able to get some ponnies out of his stacks. But we did the right thing in posting the truth and lies of his product. Anyway subject now is finally closed. Results are you need to buy a p/c and you will gain 3 to 4 hp in the mid range and lose 5 to 8 hp from 12,000 to 13,200 rpms. Wow hopefully someone tests there stuff before making false claims next time!
I have to concur with everything that Tru195 has brought forth! (With the exception of the name calling! )
____________
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted June 22, 2007 10:05 PM
quote:
this whole velocity stack thread is squidish.
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
tru195
Novice Class
Posts: 64
|
posted June 23, 2007 05:10 AM
pennis, asshole, wacko,un-proffesional, loser, stupid,ugly,pussy,whimp,cock choker,needle dick,balls of one,crook,slow,special people,and every other name!!!!!!!!!! But name calling isnt right so dick will do!!!!!!!!!!
|
fish_antlers
Administrator
The Truth is Out There
Posts: 21894
|
posted June 23, 2007 09:39 AM
GK7 Stock Dynocharts:
http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=32404
____________
What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
|
riaansh
Expert Class
Posts: 195
|
posted June 24, 2007 11:55 AM
So my conclusion wasn't wrong after my test ride with the zx 10. I thought it was a good bike. Lots of low down for a 1000. If it wasn't for my wife, the zx 10 would have been the bike.
|
countersteer
Needs a job
Didn't read the owners manual
Posts: 2207
|
posted July 17, 2008 05:51 PM
bump for a good read
____________
Scott
Long Island, New York
2006 ZX-14, 2003 ZX-12R
|
bigdtd
Needs a job
Interceptors
Posts: 4209
|
posted July 17, 2008 06:00 PM
quote:
pennis, asshole, wacko,un-proffesional, loser, stupid,ugly,pussy,whimp,cock choker,needle dick,balls of one,crook,slow,special people,and every other name!!!!!!!!!! But name calling isnt right so dick will do!!!!!!!!!!
that is good reading 101
____________
2006 Black ZX-14,6 inches over,16/42, flies out,BMC Street Filter,Brock's Street Meg,Brock's Radial Mount Strap,PClll with Race map,Dynojet LCD w/Techmount, ZX-14 fender eliminator,Pilot Power2CTs,Speedohealer,Pazzo Levers,Cox Radiator Guard, Garmin Nuvi 265WT
|
dcjens
Pro
Wet side of Washington
Posts: 1059
|
posted July 17, 2008 09:06 PM
Hey I got a 68 Honda 90 stepthrough- any ideas how I can make more power?
____________
Black 06
|
oldkawboy
Needs a job
Posts: 2125
|
posted July 18, 2008 04:20 AM
Harry & I found out the Honda stepthrough's have plenty of power, just gotta reduce some weight to make them run!
Dan
|
busajack5
Expert Class
Rocket lll
Posts: 173
|
posted July 18, 2008 04:48 PM
Good god,Iam a dumb old bastard but even I know that stacks only make power at a certain rpm. Dont you guys even know about the new R1 and V max having stacks that rise and fall with throttle opening. If they are fixed they only increase power at one RPM. The little rubber stacks that are stock are a compromise for the entire RPM band..Let me know if Iam wrong..Follow what the factorys do not the aftermarket. Who has the enginers and R&D time that are better than the factory?
____________
Jack
|
marc salvisberg
Parking Attendant
Posts: 21
|
posted July 19, 2008 10:25 AM
Edited By: marc salvisberg on 19 Jul 2008 12:05
quote:
Good god,Iam a dumb old bastard but even I know that stacks only make power at a certain rpm. Dont you guys even know about the new R1 and V max having stacks that rise and fall with throttle opening. If they are fixed they only increase power at one RPM. The little rubber stacks that are stock are a compromise for the entire RPM band..Let me know if Iam wrong..Follow what the factorys do not the aftermarket. Who has the enginers and R&D time that are better than the factory?
Hi PDB - :-)
The bike manufacturers deal with the Mikuni or Keihin for a lot of their R&D "possibilities".
Some of the parameters that the manufacturers have to specify aren't related to power, exclusively - so - the stock stacks are a compromise, as you stated.
One of the factors the manufacturer has to deal with is the intake noise level.
When you increase the intake velocity (smaller stack ID) and improve the pressure wave propagation and recovery rates (minimum required inlet radius), there's a definite increase in intake tract produced DB levels.
Most stock intake "stacks" are pretty quiet.
The 07-08 R1 leaves the stacks "long" until it's at 12k - 13k and only at 95% throttle and over, do the "secondary" stacks "pop up". I don't know about the new V-Max, yet.
The 08 R6, actually has the stacks popping on and off at different rpms and throttle positions.
From my experience, the intake tract, if it's designed without a "sound" requirement, and the inner diameter and inlet radius is optimized fully, has a "tuned range or 3000 to 3500 rpm.
About the same as a highly tuned camshaft (when keeping cranking compression the same).
The more the inner ID and radius and length are refined, the more sharply defined and stronger the "effective range is.
If you want the biggest possible boost in the upper midrange, you'll likely hurt power past the redline and before the rev limit - but, if you look at the "area under the curve", the upper midrange improvements over 3000ish rpm range are worth a lot more than losing a few at the rev limiter.
And we all know that bouncing a stock engine's engine off the rev limit is S-L-O-W on the track - though I see people do it all the time.
The manufactures also know that most magazines use a dynojet or dynojet style of dyno with relatively light engine loads - and they have to bias the intake tract design to produce that "big" peak number that sells bikes.
Unfortunately, we all mostly ride big bikes at lower rpms than the peak HP rpm.......
That's why one can design better intake tracts than stock on a lot of bikes.
As far as following the factories, I'm not 100% sure that they always get things right (that would be impossible! :-)
I think that the differences are that an aftermarket company doesn't have to design for "sound" or economy or other limiting factors and can focus on a particular usage.
That being said, - in the 1000+ areas of design, the major manufactures do an incredible job of making really good peak HP and pretty goo torque over a wide rpm band - with minimum camshaft, compression, noise, fuel consumption. and emissions - with incredible reliability.
Here's a link where somebody picked up, maybe an optimistic, "8" djhp with the Factory Pro ZX14 stacks and a TRE.
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=40608&set_time
Ryan Schnitz, whose dyno work I trust, got relatively similar hp results to what we got, also tested the Factory Pro Superflare "Street" and "Race" ZX14 stacks -
http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=4866093&showprevnext=1
Cheers!
Marc
____________
Marc Salvisberg
|
|
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC