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posted June 13, 2007 01:34 PM
waste of a thread.....+1 for FBA and tslewisz
  
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 13, 2007 03:37 PM
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Precisely my point -
Why would an experienced tuner be here?
CDT
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zx1kr
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posted June 13, 2007 04:43 PM
CDT is in actuality Mark from FactoryPro. Trying to salvage a subpar product that has been exposed. Absolutely no R & D! Just throw it on the market, someone will buy it! It's shiny Billet! What a scam! I have no reason to lie! What do I have to gain personally by exposing this? Nothing! Just trying to keep it real!
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zx1kr
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posted June 13, 2007 06:18 PM
 Edited By: zx1kr on 13 Jun 2007 19:29
Hey Charlie one more thing, my buddy just picked up a PC3 for his 07 GSXR1K. We'll be tuning that puppy real soon! We're going to try to get power with those stacks. We'll see. I bet the only way to make power with FactoryPro Stacks is on FactoryPro's Dyno! lol....
I will post the all the results on a public forum. As will the owner of the Gixxer!
Should've just refunded the guy's money! Would've saved everyone alot of time & effort.
Mark's gotta just be loving you right now! lol....
FBA appreciate you taking my back, but don't waste your time with this clown. The truth has been told. He's trying to salvage whatever he can by trying to discredit me with words. Yet, I haven't got an acceptance of my offer for him to make power with the stacks in my house.Couldn't make it any easier to prove me wrong!
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countersteer
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posted June 14, 2007 09:50 AM
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Hey Charlie one more thing, my buddy just picked up a PC3 for his 07 GSXR1K. We'll be tuning that puppy real soon! We're going to try to get power with those stacks. We'll see. I bet the only way to make power with FactoryPro Stacks is on FactoryPro's Dyno! lol....
I will post the all the results on a public forum. As will the owner of the Gixxer!
you talkin bout dave? i ran into him at maximum yesterday - we had an in depth conversation about your new bst wheels. we both agreed that they are well worth the money, and i cant imagine how well the 14 must corner now...
i asked dave why he traded in the 14 for the gsxr, he said hes tired of being ahead of you all the time!
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 14, 2007 10:22 AM
As I said before - you really don't know who I am.... Keep guessing.
We all can all tell (at least the people who read), that lessee..... :"thief & a Liar" and "Tune this TunaBrain -- " and "why don't you just f^^k off " and "total f**king morons" are not really the words of qualified tuners.
If you actually read what I posted, it's pretty tough to find much beyond pointing out additional information.
I'm happy that you have some supporters on zx14.com, but they added no factual information, unless we need to know that R1 riders are morons..
So, Bill, if the EC997 is so "sacred", can you explain why testing under load is different from a dj inertia load test?
Would that explain the differing results? If so, why?
And why you got such different results than they did, if you think that there are no test differences?
(besides that the bike you tested was modified beyond what they did and you didn't retune the ecu before you posted?)
You are confident that they knew that the stacks lost power and that Mark made phony dyno charts and posted them to troll for "suckers"?
Kinda stuck?..... who would believe your "retuned" test results, now?
At any rate (I don't expect logical answers) - this started as just a trashing thread and there's been little tuning rational from your side unless name calling and slander has become a "tuning item" recently.
As far as traveling 1800 miles to Long Island, to work on somebody else's product, on limited test equipment, in a hostile environment.. well, realistically, I'd prefer to sit here in retirement, do some part time tuning and sip my sweet tea,,,,,,,,,,,,
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posted June 14, 2007 10:49 AM
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As I said before - you really don't know who I am.... Keep guessing.
We all can all tell (at least the people who read), that lessee..... :"thief & a Liar" and "Tune this TunaBrain -- " and "why don't you just f^^k off " and "total f**king morons" are not really the words of qualified tuners.
If you actually read what I posted, it's pretty tough to find much beyond pointing out additional information.
I'm happy that you have some supporters on zx14.com, but they added no factual information, unless we need to know that R1 riders are morons..
So, Bill, if the EC997 is so "sacred", can you explain why testing under load is different from a dj inertia load test?
Would that explain the differing results? If so, why?
And why you got such different results than they did, if you think that there are no test differences?
(besides that the bike you tested was modified beyond what they did and you didn't retune the ecu before you posted?)
You are confident that they knew that the stacks lost power and that Mark made phony dyno charts and posted them to troll for "suckers"?
Kinda stuck?..... who would believe your "retuned" test results, now?
At any rate (I don't expect logical answers) - this started as just a trashing thread and there's been little tuning rational from your side unless name calling and slander has become a "tuning item" recently.
As far as traveling 1800 miles to Long Island, to work on somebody else's product, on limited test equipment, in a hostile environment.. well, realistically, I'd prefer to sit here in retirement, do some part time tuning and sip my sweet tea,,,,,,,,,,,,
CDT
Maybe all these ZX14 owners are bored or irritated with non related issues and want to preserve this site for pertinent info. Just a guess....I can't even imagine going to another site specifically designated for another motorcycle and posting ZX14 inquiries. Doesn't make much since.....but I guess that's not saying much theses days. Best Regards
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 14, 2007 11:14 AM
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Maybe all these ZX14 owners are bored or irritated with non related issues and want to preserve this site for pertinent info. Just a guess....I can't even imagine going to another site specifically designated for another motorcycle and posting ZX14 inquiries. Doesn't make much sense.....but I guess that's not saying much theses days. Best Regards
I suppose that you are 100% right
What's the point of smack postings on R1's and gsxr1000's products on a zx14 forum.
I wondered, too.
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zx1kr
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posted June 14, 2007 12:49 PM
I started this post to make my fellow riders aware of a FRAUD being perpertrated on the motorcycling public. It was just to keep my fellow riders aware of the expensive little traps set by retailers in an effort to relieve them of their hard earned $$$$.
I also respect the feedback of several of the members of this board. Yes, this wasn't the proper forum for this subject. But, don't worry we're in the process of tuning that Gixxer as I type. I will post all the results here (please feel free to move this thread to the Smackhouse!)
My buddy will be posting the results on all the other forums as well!
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zx1kr
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posted June 14, 2007 01:00 PM
Hey Tuna,
What bike is it that you ride? A 14? Curious how you became a member of the 14 forum 2 days after the dyno runs.
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zx1kr
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posted June 16, 2007 06:12 PM
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Hey Charlie one more thing, my buddy just picked up a PC3 for his 07 GSXR1K. We'll be tuning that puppy real soon! We're going to try to get power with those stacks. We'll see. I bet the only way to make power with FactoryPro Stacks is on FactoryPro's Dyno! lol....
I will post the all the results on a public forum. As will the owner of the Gixxer!
you talkin bout dave? i ran into him at maximum yesterday - we had an in depth conversation about your new bst wheels. we both agreed that they are well worth the money, and i cant imagine how well the 14 must corner now...
i asked dave why he traded in the 14 for the gsxr, he said hes tired of being ahead of you all the time!
He won't be tommorrow morning! lol..... I better watch what I say, I think he's putting "Spray" on that sucka as we speak! I'd hate to have to eat my words tommorrow. I don't think the BSTs' will compensate for a 50 shot.
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 04:16 PM
OK , people the results are in! As we already know the R1 didn't make power with the stacks even after some considerable tuning. But the next question was what was up w/ the 07 K7? FactoryPro sold the stacks to one of my buddies, told him drop'em in they make power. Well, you know the rest of the story! Anyway, a PC3usb is installed and the bike was dyno'ed. Now, the stacks made power & they lost power. We picked up approx. 4hp from 3 to 6k went even for about 1k rpm then made 3 to 4hp to about 11.5 k rpm. There is where we get a change in the story. They peak out at this point making alittle more than 166hp(1 hp less than w/o the stacks) but, after 12k rpm they fall off losing over 7hp, it was at 10hp loss but we pulled some of the lost HP be fine tuning. So, that's it in a nut shell! I guess one would have to decide where they'd prefer their power.
Now, CDT I really could care less what your opinion is on this. So, save your breathe. The bottom line is we have accomplished what we set out to do. FactoryPro has changed their marketing on this product , because it just wasn't accurate. FactoryPro should've just refunded the monies less a 20% restock fee & this would've been a mute point.
While were talking dyno runs, we installed a 50HP dry Shot on this 07 GSXR 1k and we made 211 HP & 105 TQ partially tuned to the juice. It probably has another 5hp in it.
Tru195 will try to become Tru200 once again. I think I may pass on witnessing this attempt though. The last one nearly got me vacation time complements of NY! lol....
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shane661
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posted June 20, 2007 04:36 PM
Edited By: shane661 on 20 Jun 2007 17:39
Ok...that is dyno power that doesn't include any potential ram-air/real world effects. Nobody rides their bike on a dyno.
The dyno numbers tell one story, but REAL racing results could tell another.
I don't dispute any of your findings, but I would like to see what happens under actual top speed and drag racing conditions. I would also like to see overlaid dyno charts of the back-to-back runs, and the ambient conditions, and engine temps,and A/F measurements for each.
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 05:32 PM
Well, I've got a system down that is pretty accurate. I also make adjustments to compensate for the ram-air. I also force feed air into the ram air intake to closer replicate on road conditions. I'm not looking to split hairs. I've never seen a bike that loses 7 hp on the dyno from one mode to another, feel stronger on the street with the lesser mod. Sorry, just the facts!
As far as drag racing or top speed runs are concerned, the stacks are not what I would opt for. They seem to be better suited for a tight roadrace course.
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shane661
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posted June 20, 2007 05:51 PM
How do you surmise that they are better for roadracing? From the dyno?
Nothing can substitute for real racing numbers. Seat of the pants=nothing.
Again, this is not criticism. Just my .02..which is worth about -.02 to most. lol
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 05:53 PM
Edited By: zx1kr on 20 Jun 2007 18:57
Do you tune?
Read what I posted for the results of the tune & you should be able to figure out why I say what I say. Yes, I run track days pretty regular, My bikes are usually among the strongest running on the track. I don't think there is a racing team out there that does not do regular dyno diagnostics to improve their track performance.
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shane661
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posted June 20, 2007 06:04 PM
Do you race?
If so, post the comparisons under race conditions....otherwise, your numbers mean nothing.
That's what I am getting at.
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 06:16 PM
Do you race? Do you tune? I do not race on a professional level. I do however, race on a regular basis.
Have you ever had a bike tuned? How do you set-up your bike when you change an engine enhancing component? I don't go out with a stop watch on every mod but, I will run against a fellow rider & compare results which I consider to be solid confirmation of improvement or loss of power.
On that note, my posts have no actual track timed differences so, they are of absolutely no use to you. You're probably just wasting your time reading this .
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 06:37 PM
Hey Tru195 , Can you please give this guy some timed, photographed & witnessed by a crowd results for our dyno session today.
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tru195
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posted June 20, 2007 06:38 PM
well I raced for 3 years on and off and took alot of firsts. I also ran a few years of track days along with doing street roll on racing from 50mph to top speed for over 20 years. These stacks as anyone would know just by there size are about mid range and being that they are still in my bike as we speak I can say after playing with it for an hour or so that she does have more grunt out of turns and through high speed sweepers 130 or better. But snapping through the gears you can fell it die off just before you shift every time. so every day use would be a benefit but roll on through the gears and you will lose a little more then you will gain. Fact on dyno and real world.
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 06:40 PM
Edited By: zx1kr on 20 Jun 2007 19:41
But did you actually race the bike? Time it? lol.....
Otherwise the #'s mean NOTHING!!!!!
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tru195
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posted June 20, 2007 06:41 PM
You dont find many guys that will deal with an ass hole like factory pro and still tell the story the way it is. We did it fai in fact tried to favor the stacks as we tuned several different ways to get more out and never even played with our base run. So the product works just not on peak hp but marc is still a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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zx1kr
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posted June 20, 2007 06:44 PM
Edited By: zx1kr on 20 Jun 2007 19:44
I'm not coming out this sunday unless I have my NOS on the 14. I WILL NOT give you the satisfaction of getting one win on your Gixxer... HA HA HA!
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tru195
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posted June 21, 2007 08:20 AM
I dont think you have done anything but hand wins over since meeting me. But a no show is as good as a win. Thanks
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zx1kr
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posted June 21, 2007 08:47 AM
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I dont think you have done anything but hand wins over since meeting me. But a no show is as good as a win. Thanks
OK Charlie! I see you've also got selective memory. Please refresh my memory as to when your suzy ever pulled on my 14 (besides when you were dreamin'! lol....)
Tru please do your meds as perscribed! lol.
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