zx1kr
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posted May 14, 2007 06:45 PM
FactoryPro Velocity Stacks... Dynoed & Taken off the Bike!
I just dynoed 2 bikes, an 07 GSXR1000 & an 04 R1. Both lost HUGE amounts of HP!
Took the Factory Pro stacks out & both bikes were restored to full power.
Does anyone have actual dyno results that were positive from these stacks as a mod.
Oh, Hey guys it's been a while! Gonna try to show my face around here alittle more!
Hope all is well!
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Ojref
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posted May 15, 2007 06:26 AM
IMO Factory Pro hasn't been relevant nor innovative since fuel injection became the standard on sportbikes. They're still hung up on carburetors.
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tslewisz
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posted May 15, 2007 07:30 AM
Hope you don't mind if I swing this thread to ZX-14-oriented. Supposedly, Bear has made some proto ZX-14 stacks but they're such a pain to install he might not make them. I haven't looked at how the stockers are...comments?
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F_Sik
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posted May 15, 2007 07:39 AM
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted May 15, 2007 10:25 AM
quote:
I just dynoed 2 bikes, an 07 GSXR1000 & an 04 R1. Both lost HUGE amounts of HP!
Took the Factory Pro stacks out & both bikes were restored to full power.
Does anyone have actual dyno results that were positive from these stacks as a mod.
Hope all is well!
Don't know about the 07 gsxr1000, but the R1 stacks worked a lot better in my friend's bike - the upper midrange was pretty wicked. I rode the bike before and after and it did wheelies lots easier and had to be more careful on freeway onramps.
Last year my cousin in Cali had Factory themselves install and tune his 06 gixxer 1000 and he said the bike was a lot better in the upper midrange, too.
Cheers!
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dac
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posted May 15, 2007 11:47 AM
Hey Zx1kr..... nice to see ya again
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BlackMagic14
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posted May 15, 2007 05:35 PM
I would think that with stacks you would lose top end and gain mid and lower, It seems to me that they are like the intake on a car the taller the intake the Higher up the power curve the shorter the stack or intake the lower the power curve
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zx1kr
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posted May 15, 2007 06:09 PM
The R1 was Dyno tuned & the powerband lost with the stacks. The Gixxer 1k was not(no PC yet it's an 07) although it was touted by FactoryPro as a Drop-in gain due to the O2 Sensor. The GSXR lost as much as 15 Hp in some spots with no gains anywhere. it lost 8hp peak. These things are garbage.
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stevewfl
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posted May 15, 2007 06:15 PM
i'm just so glad i didn't buy the '07 R1 like i was tempted to do a few months back when the hype was out there.
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted May 15, 2007 06:58 PM
 Edited By: Charlie da Tuna on 15 May 2007 21:42
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The R1 was Dyno tuned & the powerband lost with the stacks. The Gixxer 1k was not(no PC yet it's an 07) although it was touted by FactoryPro as a Drop-in gain due to the O2 Sensor. The GSXR lost as much as 15 Hp in some spots with no gains anywhere. it lost 8hp peak. These things are garbage.
Not to be disagreeable, but I just looked at http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prods62.html and I didn't see anything that said anything about an O2 sensor anywhere. Where'd you read that?
Paint fumes maybe?? :-) I used to paint, too.
Houses, though.
Why do you think that an O2 sensor works at full throttle?
It is ignored 100% above 20% - 30% on most Japanese bikes and on some BMW models, up to almost 50+% throttle in the lower rpms.
I've got a Teka SFI that tunes the stock ECU on the 07 gsxr's. Maybe call Factory up and get one. Oh..... maybe not a good idea, now........ (chuckle! and sound of burning bridges)
I know that there are plenty of times that pushing a button and tuning to some afr doesn't always end up making the best power - and I've see the factory pro wars over Dynojet tuning to an afr vs tuning to FP best power.
They tuned my cousin's R1 to best power instead of the air fuel ratio and the stacks worked as FP said they did according to him.
Maybe the gsxr1000 sucked because you did no tuning at all?
That's most likely.
Charlie
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zx1kr
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posted May 15, 2007 08:40 PM
quote:
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The R1 was Dyno tuned & the powerband lost with the stacks. The Gixxer 1k was not(no PC yet it's an 07) although it was touted by FactoryPro as a Drop-in gain due to the O2 Sensor. The GSXR lost as much as 15 Hp in some spots with no gains anywhere. it lost 8hp peak. These things are garbage.
Not to be disagreeable, but I just looked at http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prods62.html and I didn't see anything that said anything about an O2 sensor anywhere. Where'd you read that?
Paint fumes maybe?? :-) I used to paint, too.
Houses, though.
Why do you think that an O2 sensor works at full throttle?
It is ignored 100% above 20% - 30% on most Japanese bikes and on some BMW models, up to almost 50+% throttle in the lower rpms.
I've got a Teka SFI that tunes the stock ECU on the 07 gsxr's. Maybe call Factory up and get one. Oh..... maybe not a good idea, now........
I know that there are plenty of times that pushing a button and tuning to some afr doesn't always end up making the best power - and I've see the factory pro wars over Dynojet tuning to an afr vs tuning to FP best power.
They tuned my cousin's R1 to best power instead of the air fuel ratio and the stacks worked as FP said they did according to him.
Maybe the gsxr1000 sucked because you did no tuning at all?
That's most likely.
Charlie
An open mind is a terrible thing to waste!
Hey Jerkoff,
You're assuming things. What I stated was what came out of Marks mouth to the customer that purchased them. He was told "Drop 'em in , that's what he did!(FactoryPro) & you'll get all kinds of power. The AFR never changed at full throttle. The power just fell threw the floor! No, I did not tune it.
As far as the R1 was concerned , that one I attempted to tune everyway to sunday. AF & for power. It was not going to happen with the stacks. I pulled them & the bike runs real hard(for an R1) . I have nothing with FactoryPro. I'm just not going to use their stacks in ANY bike again until I see them work on my dyno. You're more than welcome to PROVE me wrong. Don't just talk, come down to my shop, Bring a bike, show me how it's done! I'll let you play all day long if you can find the power thats lost without taking the stacks out. If you can , all dyno time is free. If you can't please have cash!
PS. I do not use the TUNINGLINK software for that exact reason. I ALWAYS tune for power!
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zx1kr
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posted May 15, 2007 08:47 PM
Hey Tuna,
Isn't it convenient how you just joined this sight today. Tuna or is it Mark? I'll call you tommorrow. My Buddy wants his money back for the "Snake Oil" you sold him!
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted May 15, 2007 08:58 PM
Down, Rover down!
haha! Now THAT's the Long Island attitude I was missing! lol!
Trash talk! Garbage! Yeehaah!!!
No Idea what Mark said. He's usually pretty careful about qualifying tests. I was looking at the website and still see nothing about any O2 sensor.
I can call him and ask though it's their local AMA roadrace and he's buried in tuning RRW and Hooter's bikes this week - so it'll be next week -
Did you do loaded tests? I know that they do and they actually say that on the gsxr page.
And it's spelled Cherkoff. buddy -
Charlie
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted May 15, 2007 09:16 PM
You can never be sure who is reading -
I've installed a couple sets of older gsxr1000 stacks from Factory and a friend who has an 06 1000 gixxer asked me about it because this thread came up on google.
I've known Mark for about 20 years from AMA racing days - and he's not usually known for selling snake oil - but sometimes, perhaps a "bit", how would you say.... "intolerant" at times.
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted May 15, 2007 09:19 PM
Nice website, btw -
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zx1kr
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posted May 16, 2007 06:23 PM
I'll keep it short. he sold them to a good friend & customer of mine that I regularly tune for. He told the purchaser. Just install & pick-up HP that simple! Well, that's exactly what didn't happen. The HP fell through the floor. AFR didn't change. Hp just left the building, very rough graph in upper RPMs which was not the case prior to V. Stack install.
As for the R1, I just bought that bike. The seller told me he installed the V.Stacks & I didn't think twice about it until I put it on the Dyno. It barely broke 140hp, very rough. I tuned it everyway you can tune a bike. That's when I pulled the V.Stacks out, immediately picked up 7 HP w/o retuning, and even more in the mid rpms @ FT.
Just to set the record straight, I have nothing against FactoryPro. I'm not trying to sell anything similar to anything they sell. I don't play BS games. But, I also don't go for products that are touted to do something & the only thing they do is take money from unsuspecting & trusting customers. The guy called Mark & very nicely explained the issues with the product. Expressed his interest in returning said product. He was turned away with stories.
If the product was so good he should've accepted the return & sold them to the next victim, er , ah customer. my offer still stands, come make power with these stacks installed on this bike at my shop & all dyno time is free. I'll publicly recant any negative statements about this product & offer an apology. I'll pay for you're airfare here too, if you make the power. But, if they don't make power, well ...... Have cash.....
By the way, thanks, it is a pretty cool website yes?
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zx1kr
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posted May 18, 2007 08:00 PM
This is how the 2007 GSXR 1000 V Stacks are promoted on FP's website.
Billet 2007 GSXR 1000 SUPERFLARE Stacks
Factory Pro's high velocity Billet Stacks, stock exhaust and STOCK AIR FILTER(!) -
Add up to +2 to 3 PEAK True HP and +4 at 7k and +6 at 10k True HP in 30 minutes.
We did it without fuel mapping - so can you.
The Factory Pro stacks on the 2007 1000 would likely benefit from the BMC Race filter and remapping, but it's not how we tested.
THIS IS BULLSHIT! BUYER BEWARE!
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stevewfl
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posted May 18, 2007 08:24 PM
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 06, 2007 10:20 AM
quote:
This is how the 2007 GSXR 1000 V Stacks are promoted on FP's website.
Billet 2007 GSXR 1000 SUPERFLARE Stacks
Factory Pro's high velocity Billet Stacks, stock exhaust and STOCK AIR FILTER(!) -
Add up to +2 to 3 PEAK True HP and +4 at 7k and +6 at 10k True HP in 30 minutes.
We did it without fuel mapping - so can you.
The Factory Pro stacks on the 2007 1000 would likely benefit from the BMC Race filter and remapping, but it's not how we tested.
THIS IS BULLSHIT! BUYER BEWARE!
I looked on Factory Pro's site, read what YOU posted above and actually called Factory.
Apparently, your "friend" had an 07 gsxr1000 with an aftermarket exhaust AND a BMC filter AND removed the TB secondaries AND you did no tuning and THEN you guys put on the stacks and FINALLY, it went into detonation in the rpms that the stacks boost compression in and lost power.
Not a big surprise to a tuner.
To an experienced tuner, all you did was prove that the stacks would probably work, if properly tuned.
Factory even SAYS that adding JUST a BMC filter would likely make better power WITH REMAPPING.
You ignored that for some personal reason.
No wonder experienced tuners who understand tuning avoid some forums when they get 1 week wonders arguing with them.
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tslewisz
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posted June 06, 2007 11:06 AM
What does this crap have to do with ZX-14's? Can a mod move it to the Smackhouse?
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 11, 2007 04:07 PM
Edited By: Charlie da Tuna on 11 Jun 2007 17:14
R1 stack review
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posted by zx1kr: The R1 was Dyno tuned & the powerband lost with the stacks.These things are garbage.
Try this link:
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201093
I'm not sure how this relates to a zx14, either - but I could guess that if Factory Pro came out with ZX14 stacks, "somebody" would post that "they" lost power, too?
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zx1kr
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posted June 11, 2007 04:20 PM
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The R1 was Dyno tuned & the powerband lost with the stacks.These things are garbage.
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201093
I'm not sure how this relates to a zx14, either -
CDT
Mark,
I never claimed to have tuned the GSXR1K! I was going by what you claimed on your website. (Which was mysterious & quickly updated after this whole fraud was exposed!) Don't make me put it back to bone stock & prove that there was absolutely no R&D done. You just threw a set of pretty billet stacks on the market looking for a sucker.
Cuz, I'm willing to bet that these things don't do shit! Except lose power!
My offer still stands, come to my shop & drop these in & make power. I'll pay for the trip. If they don't, you pay me for the wasted Dyno time!
You are a thief & a Liar! Please move this thread to the Smackhouse!
So, explain the R1?
Yea, I know! I don't know how to tune! Right? I use a DJ250i & not the secred EC997! Right?
I tuned the R1 six different ways to sunday. Pulled the v-stacks, retuned got more mid range, more top-end by 10 HP peak.
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 13, 2007 09:13 AM
gsxr1000k7: I could see 1-2 peak hp loss from light dyno loading and tuning to an AFR, but when you claim a 15 hp loss on the K7 1000, that strains reality. and an inexperienced, but otherwise reasonable person would simply stay away from both you and stacks.
This thread is why there are few experienced tuners left on this forum.
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posted June 13, 2007 09:27 AM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 13 Jun 2007 10:27
No CDT, it's because of jackoffs like you...why don't you just fuck off and stop bothering us? Your kind around here -- we've had enough of that in the past -- you're not welcome here...so stick to your R-Asshole forums...they're total fucking morons there anyway, so you'd be more than welcome there -- a perfect home for TunaFaceFucks like you...I'll say it because Bill can't -- so here    
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Charlie da Tuna
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posted June 13, 2007 11:42 AM
Precisely my point -
Why would an experienced tuner be here?
CDT
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