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posted May 06, 2007 01:07 PM
May have jumped Gun on Flys out
I think I may have jumped a little early on taking my flys out. Last night I was riding with my wonderfully awesome girlfriend on board. When we got back to the house I looked down and realized my bike was running extremely hot. The whole meter was filled all the way up. Has never run that hot before. Also was giving off the smell of hot metal. Now I have not replaced the exhaust or put a pcIII in yet. But I did take the flys out about a week ago. Does this have something to do with how hot the bike is running now? Will a new exhaust and a pcIII fix this? Am I causing any real damage by running without these? HELP!!! Thanx guys.
  
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BlackMagic14
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posted May 06, 2007 01:17 PM
The only problem may be running without the PCiii there is a lot of discussion but most agree it causes an undesirable lean condition but I havnt actually heard of anyone damaging their bikes
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posted May 06, 2007 03:06 PM
Read brocks diaries....
I wouldn't do it with out a map!
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Big_T_11
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posted May 07, 2007 07:45 AM
I ran mine for a long time that way and never had a problem. The bikes just seem to run hotter, at least that's what the gauge says. Mine has been to the top mark several times and still has not spit any fluid. In slow riding it always shows 3 to 4 bars.
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ninjaboy311
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posted May 07, 2007 12:41 PM
More air equals leaner condition, which equals hotter temperatures.
Needs more fuel via a custom map/power commander.
Flies out + custom map = smile from ear to ear.
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Heartbreak
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posted May 07, 2007 01:48 PM
Well, now the question of the year. Which first? The exhaust? or the pc? I figured exhaust might help the temp problem a little also, because of less back pressure. More air in needs more air out. But then again the lean problem seems to pose a bigger threat. And both at once is out of the question seeing how we are talking about $1500 here.
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shawnski
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posted May 07, 2007 02:00 PM
it depends how much u want to spend. do u want slip on or full system, or what brand exhaust, it varies on price.
if u don't want spend alot of money the best way is just get a pc3 and map it for the stock exhaust no flies, that should cost u a little over 300 dollars then later on u can get rid of those huge factory things and map the same pc for after market exhaust.
good luck.
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shane661
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posted May 07, 2007 02:00 PM
Map it (pcusb) first if you are concerned about your smoldering hot lean condition...it will only be worse with an exhaust....
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Heartbreak
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posted May 07, 2007 02:33 PM
I guess I could do that. It's a little cheaper. May be able to do that sooner. Thanx all. I think this may go over with the girlfriend better. hehehe. After all she bought me the bike. Gotta love her!
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shawnski
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posted May 07, 2007 02:42 PM
 Edited By: shawnski on 7 May 2007 15:45
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I guess I could do that. It's a little cheaper. May be able to do that sooner. Thanx all. I think this may go over with the girlfriend better. hehehe. After all she bought me the bike. Gotta love her!
must be nice. how did u manage that?
do what u did u might get full system and pc out of her too. 
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phytrax
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posted May 07, 2007 07:34 PM
Edited By: phytrax on 7 May 2007 20:40
I've run the bike with stock exhaust, flies out, and a PCIII. It's a blast man, more than enough bike for most people.
You should be happy to hear the PCIII will add a lot of power all the way across the power band!! The stock map is too rich so proper mapping will help your lean problem and add 6-7 hp at the top end from what I understand. You can always add the exhaust later for another 7hp or so, and a lot of weight reduction.
Until you get your PCIII, just try to keep your RPM over 5,500 most of the time. I think that should keep the temp down.
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ZXLNT
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posted May 07, 2007 08:54 PM
Yes leaning out the map on the top end will give you some dyno power. However, after reading some other information, I'm not so convinced that leaning out on top would give you real world dynamic street performance. That extra fuel up top is probably to compensate for ram air at speed..
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phytrax
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posted May 08, 2007 03:02 AM
I know on my trans am the word was the ram air didn't do much until at least 120 mph, and I'm sure I heard something similar on the ZX-14. If so, leaning out the bike a bit would be helpful for most people.
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psycho1122
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posted May 08, 2007 06:20 AM
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Yes leaning out the map on the top end will give you some dyno power. However, after reading some other information, I'm not so convinced that leaning out on top would give you real world dynamic street performance. That extra fuel up top is probably to compensate for ram air at speed..
ECU compensate's for thr Ram-Air at speed utilizing sensors.
KHI adds fuel up top as a "Cushion". Keeps the hit soft as you approach the limiter.
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interceptor
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posted May 08, 2007 07:20 AM
see, I told u dude. get the PC3 and exhaust if u can swing it. then keep her above the 5k's until then.
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posted May 08, 2007 02:08 PM
I must have the last ZX14 on earth with the flies in.
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posted May 08, 2007 02:48 PM
Uh... Nope.
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posted May 08, 2007 02:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up :P
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posted May 08, 2007 03:10 PM
Hey Steve... still got my flies in here....working on putting some mileage on...get my first factory service... then start on my list of things to do... what kinda fly trap to you suggest? I mean once i lure them out.....i certainly dont want them winged critters going back in 
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Heartbreak
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posted May 08, 2007 03:51 PM
Thanx a lot guys, I really do appreciate all the help. And yes keeping the rpms high did lower the temp. Oh and by the way you'll never know what I did to get her to buy me that bike!!!! hahaha!!!! Never going to tell my secrets!!!!!!
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posted May 08, 2007 06:39 PM
tmi
pull the flies steve i did and wow
to all do it right pull flies , install pipe and pc with proper map then ride it like you stole it
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posted May 08, 2007 07:03 PM
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I must have the last ZX14 on earth with the flies in.
wtf Steve? Pussy! 
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posted May 08, 2007 09:13 PM
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I must have the last ZX14 on earth with the flies in.
wtf Steve? Pussy!
truthfully I had planned on selling the ZX14 after a year so I haven't cared much to do anything except the gen3 and PCIII - and pulled the front reflectors off which was overboard!
but you know what, I've had the bike a year now and I can't imagine parting with it. and thats not like me about any product. I came close to selling it for an R1. Thank God I didn't. Rossi is even slow on the new Yami, so I couldn't even keep up with traffic on it!
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posted May 09, 2007 01:16 PM
WTF is up with Rossi this year. It's like he fell flat on his face!!! Sad. I loved watching him race last year.
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posted May 09, 2007 03:03 PM
Geeze Steve, you got the Gen3 and the PC just load Brocks map and pull the damn things, you won't regret it!
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