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posted May 03, 2007 08:19 AM
 Edited By: flyboy on 3 May 2007 09:20
2mm big bore kit
Has anyone put one on their bikes? If so, where did you get it?
Besides Muzzy and Schnitz, who sells them now? (obviously for the 14)
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posted May 03, 2007 08:37 AM
I can't answer that but why go 2 mill over? If i were going to do something it would be a set of std bore drop in pistons 13.5.1 compression ... Much cheaper and a good power gain ... As a rule for the race motors i have built i would rather go stroke than bore ...You will get better gains across the board with stroke than bore ....Oversizing the bore will can cause flow problems unless you do some work around the valve pocket in the chambers.... With a higher CR you will add TQ in the lower and mid ranges... Add Compression and port work to the head and pick up power across the board.... Smokin..
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posted May 03, 2007 09:46 AM
"Speed costs $$$, How fast do you want to go?" At least 200 at Bonneville. Check out
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posted May 03, 2007 02:43 PM
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"Speed costs $$$, How fast do you want to go?" At least 200 at Bonneville. Check out
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posted May 03, 2007 03:56 PM
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I can't answer that but why go 2 mill over? If i were going to do something it would be a set of std bore drop in pistons 13.5.1 compression ... Much cheaper and a good power gain ... As a rule for the race motors i have built i would rather go stroke than bore ...You will get better gains across the board with stroke than bore ....Oversizing the bore will can cause flow problems unless you do some work around the valve pocket in the chambers.... With a higher CR you will add TQ in the lower and mid ranges... Add Compression and port work to the head and pick up power across the board.... Smokin..
No ... No .... Go std bore - low compression - "and turbo charge it " 
Bob
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posted May 03, 2007 03:58 PM
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I can't answer that but why go 2 mill over? If i were going to do something it would be a set of std bore drop in pistons 13.5.1 compression ... Much cheaper and a good power gain ... As a rule for the race motors i have built i would rather go stroke than bore ...You will get better gains across the board with stroke than bore ....Oversizing the bore will can cause flow problems unless you do some work around the valve pocket in the chambers.... With a higher CR you will add TQ in the lower and mid ranges... Add Compression and port work to the head and pick up power across the board.... Smokin..
No ... No .... Go std bore - low compression - "and turbo charge it "
Bob
(imho)
I must have ESP because i knew Bob was going to say that ...lol...
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posted May 03, 2007 05:12 PM
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"Speed costs $$$, How fast do you want to go?" At least 200 at Bonneville. Check out
http://www.carpenterracing.com/zx14.htm
I spoke with him and he wouldn't sponsor me up front. Therefore it'd cost about $8,500 for a 235 hp 1570 stroker kit. plus $1,200 for shipping the bike to New Jersey. He's a very nice guy. Now I'm looking to do the work here in California.
Smokin' maybe you're right. Schnitz has the 2mm. kit on their website but Rob Muzzzy has never sent them one. Maybe the kit is just in experimental stages...
If you go with a Turbo you're limited to one class.
I'll call JE Pistons.
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posted May 03, 2007 06:27 PM
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I must have ESP because i knew Bob was going to say that ...lol...
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posted May 04, 2007 12:24 AM
Edited By: BobC on 4 May 2007 01:25
I agree with Smokin about a stroker being the way to go. Mike Grainger, over here in the UK, has a stroker ZX-12R built by Brian Capper that's done 216mph on the 2 mile runway at Woodbridge. Just a conventionally aspirated engine skillfully put together, no turbo or gas.
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posted May 04, 2007 04:00 AM
Stroked and bored my 12 and if to do it all over again,I'ld start out with head work. I'm really not that impressed with the gains from a big bore or when I stroked it.FWIW
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posted May 04, 2007 06:46 AM
Edited By: Cajunboyz on 4 May 2007 10:42
Hey Smokin, Did you get to try that 16 / rear 42 sprocket set up yet????
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posted May 04, 2007 07:16 AM
Is stroking an engine worth the money? How much hp gain would one expect? Where can one get a "kit"?
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posted May 04, 2007 08:57 AM
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Is stroking an engine worth the money? How much hp gain would one expect? Where can one get a "kit"?
Call APE for the crank...Then call J&E for the Pistons... You need to know the stroke to order the pistons ...Don't look or worry about the HP numbers with a stroker ...Look for a large wide and very HIGH TQ numbers across the board ...TQ is what moves the weight...Port the head and add cams you will see the HP go up in the High RPMs ... do both to get both HP and TQ ....Smokin..
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posted May 04, 2007 09:04 AM
another good point about strokers is thay handle boost much better than big bores with thin or siameised cyl walls.
the intake signal will also improve susbatantially, and in addition to what Lee mentioned about combustion chamber mods, a big bore still does not burn as clean or completely as as stroker.
My ideal engine would be a turbo stroker!
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posted May 04, 2007 12:05 PM
Hey Smokin, Did you get to try that 16 / rear 42 sprocket set up yet????
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posted May 04, 2007 12:09 PM
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Hey Smokin, Did you get to try that 16 / rear 42 sprocket set up yet????
Yup posted the outcome back on the thread ... wasn't a pretty picture ...Smokin..
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posted May 04, 2007 12:46 PM
Edited By: flyboy on 4 May 2007 13:48
quote:
another good point about strokers is thay handle boost much better than big bores with thin or siameised cyl walls.
the intake signal will also improve susbatantially, and in addition to what Lee mentioned about combustion chamber mods, a big bore still does not burn as clean or completely as as stroker.
My ideal engine would be a turbo stroker!
Dubious--
You give me all this great engine advice, yet I look at your picture and see your engine blowing up. And it kind of scares me...................... 
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posted May 04, 2007 01:01 PM
I forgot the thread, Can you point me at it??What happen??So your going to stay with the 16/41 set-up???
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posted May 04, 2007 01:30 PM
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I forgot the thread, Can you point me at it??What happen??So your going to stay with the 16/41 set-up???
16/42 = big wheelies and lost a 10th of a second and one MPH ...Killed my 60 foot from 1.38 to 1.43 to 1.48 so i'm going back to 16/41...Smokin..
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posted May 04, 2007 05:08 PM
Edited By: dubious on 4 May 2007 18:43
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Dubious--
You give me all this great engine advice, yet I look at your picture and see your engine blowing up. And it kind of scares me......................
Bill thats the bridgestone about to explode... no worries
The fact is i have been too busy with my new business, and tied up alot of money in my winter toy this past winter.
I could have bought a new bike, turbo, swingarm crank assembly et all with the money i spent on other toys...
Oh well, I really enjoy the turbo diesel, 540 HP and 930 ftlbs at the tires.. dyno'd (before the 150 hp shot of nitrous)
you should see the expression on ppl's faces when i light up the tires, and spank mustangs and c-5 's with it. no problem off the line till about 1/8 mile
36" x 15.5" dick cepeks... the pics don't do it justice.
I'll take pics of it with the bike this weekend...so you get an idea how big it is!
It should run 12 sec in the 1/4 , top speed 130 mph, weighs 7700 lbs! stands 9' tall
The ATV in my avitar is a 750 cc Kawi brute force v-twin, with JE pistons , web cams, muzzy pipe, dyna cdi and clutch work. I just did the motor in October. It weighs 700 lbs, can fourd 4.5 ft of water, wears 28 x12 rubber, fully independant suspension, 17 " ground clearance and is designed for mud bog racing, but I just use it to humiliate any thing I can... like racing quads, and pickup trucks.
Stock HP is 45, now makes 92 HP, stock top speed was about 65 mph, now does 80.
Power wheelies from standing start until about 40 mph... with the 2500 lb winch hanging off the front and all.
I have been into engines since I could hand my Dad a wrench... well over 30 years.
I do alot of research and have alot of interest, unfortunately time, money and the Canadian dollar really throw a wrench into my wish lists...
William, I found the reason for the specs in the top right corner of my sig... mosquito ..he was "stick it in the camera lens"
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posted May 06, 2007 02:10 PM
Dubious-
Great looking truck. At least you now have a speed toy for the wintertime.
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posted May 06, 2007 09:31 PM
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Is stroking an engine worth the money? How much hp gain would one expect? Where can one get a "kit"?
Call APE for the crank...Then call J&E for the Pistons... You need to know the stroke to order the pistons ...Don't look or worry about the HP numbers with a stroker ...Look for a large wide and very HIGH TQ numbers across the board ...TQ is what moves the weight...Port the head and add cams you will see the HP go up in the High RPMs ... do both to get both HP and TQ ....Smokin..
Goodn advise
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posted May 06, 2007 09:55 PM
check pm Smokin
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flyboy
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posted May 31, 2007 08:12 AM
Edited By: flyboy on 31 May 2007 09:15
Thank guys for all your advice. A couple questions please-
1) If you put in high compression pistons with a stroker and port it-- how would your rwh numbers compare with just using nitrous on a stock engine?
2) Is it possible to use nitrous over a two mile distance without burning up the pistons? If this is possible would a five lb. can suffice?
I need approx 240 rwh which is obviously going to be reduced with the density altitude of Bonneville.
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posted May 31, 2007 07:49 PM
Here's curves for my 2001 R1. +6mm stroke and +2mm bore. Crower rods, yosh cams, ported head and the list goes on. Completely stock the bike made ~~ 136rwhp - not a bad increase. All motor but with VP race gas MRX01. Torque is impressive as the bike is very light and runs stock gearing good for 180 ish.
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