mrsantafe
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posted October 04, 2006 01:47 PM
pros and cons of turboing?
I've been considering going the turbo route on the 14 but................... I like the reliability of a bigbore.
What are your experiences with any aftermarket turbocharged cycles, the good,bad, and ugly. thanks!!
  
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posted October 04, 2006 01:53 PM
lag, heat and reliable tuners/builders.
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Vegasdude
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posted October 04, 2006 02:28 PM
 Edited By: Vegasdude on 4 Oct 2006 15:29
bigbore is going to run hot. Turbos, when tuned properly, do not have any lag. Mine didn't. You need to look at turbos that have a linear power line. You dont want 200 hp hitting at 6 grand. Get the bike intercooled as well. Turbo is the best bang for the buck. Run between 7 - 9 lbs of boost and you should be styling.....................
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ninja14
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posted October 04, 2006 09:01 PM
The local 14 with 9psi put down 280RWHP..................$5200 kit.
It has got to be the best way to get power since it is like it's not even there until you let it rip......
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posted October 04, 2006 09:15 PM
Pros...................BIG POWER!
Cons.................BROKEN SHIT all the damn time  Boost is like Crystal Meth once you're hooked you can't get enough and the urge to turn the boost up is more than a mortal man can take..... One more little twist  BOOM!!!! happens every time
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eklipse636
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posted October 05, 2006 05:19 AM
i agree w gunner, very seldom do u see a turbo'd bike that dosent have problems, just becasue the boost is never enough,
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posted October 05, 2006 05:35 AM
Great rush, and addictive, but without complete rebuild with forged pistons and all the rest its a time bomb. The turbo kit by itself isnt that expensive, but by the time you do all the rest it runs into serious money. I have a supercharged Valkyrie thats laying dead in the shop right now with broken pistons. I got about 4500 miles of perfect running before it let go. Didnt burn anything or hole a piston, the lands between the rings collapsed. Any time you exceed the design parameters of the engine components its a crap shoot.....TB
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posted October 05, 2006 08:22 AM
It's just the simple truth...........I had turbo bikes for many years and I love the power. But now days I don't have any turbo bikes and I get to ride alot more.. THe power is unreal and unmatched by anything else if power is all you want.... BUT! having bikes that run ALL the time is priceless!!!!!!!! And having bikes with suitable power to turn corners fast is lots more fun that any turbo bike.....
If you put a number on the time you actually spend on boost with you turbo bike between broken motors you will be shocked  Sure people put lots of milage on turbo bikes BUT the key word here is ON BOOST!! The actual on boost time will surprise you.. It's only a short time measured best by minutes and not hours. They just don't live long..
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mrsantafe
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posted October 05, 2006 08:37 AM
Sounds like some real good advice to me. I've always wanted to do some type of turbocharged bike but ive always been afraid of the potential problems. I do not have the patience to be turning a wrench on it all the time or even some of the time. I knew there were some people on this forum in the "been there done that club".
thanks!
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posted October 05, 2006 12:25 PM
I'm a member of the "Not been there but doing it club".
I bought a slick used ZRX (always liked them) and am in the process of a turbo installation. Hopefully I'll keep my wits high and boost low when I get it running. One of the reasons I went with the ZRX is it's like my old KZ, everythings easy to get to and work on.......Not like my 12 or the 14's.
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posted October 05, 2006 12:42 PM
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One of the reasons I went with the ZRX is it's like my old KZ, everythings easy to get to and work on.......Not like my 12 or the 14's.
Dan
Yeah.
I hear ya!
I like wrenching and tweaking, but plastics are not what I call mechanical.
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mrsantafe
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posted October 05, 2006 02:09 PM
Good for you oldkawboy let us know how it turns out.
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zxbob
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posted October 05, 2006 02:44 PM
All pros ........ no cons !!
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GUNNER
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posted October 05, 2006 04:38 PM
Bob.....................Not even Pussy is all Pros and NO Cons Everything has Cons
For example the Cons of Pussy............................The life support system required for it
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posted October 05, 2006 05:02 PM
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I'm a member of the "Not been there but doing it club".
I bought a slick used ZRX (always liked them) and am in the process of a turbo installation. Hopefully I'll keep my wits high and boost low when I get it running. One of the reasons I went with the ZRX is it's like my old KZ, everythings easy to get to and work on.......Not like my 12 or the 14's.
Dan
I had a turbo in my zrx for a short time ...Didn't hurt any parts but i ran it way rich all the time ..I also had a wideband 02 , if you don't you will melt the motor real fast ...Most all of the turbo rexs i know of have broken ring lands with in a very short time ..I never broke mine but like i said i run real rich a/f ratio 10.5 to 11.0 Fat fat fat ... Don't even start that turbo without a wide band 02 set up ...Dyno jet has one and its 500 bucks last i checked...And you will need to get a Muzzy retard rotor and pull at least 5 deg of timing out....smokin ..
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zxbob
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posted October 05, 2006 05:52 PM
Edited By: zxbob on 5 Oct 2006 18:53
I dont have a DJ Wideband
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smokinZX14
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posted October 05, 2006 05:57 PM
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I dont have a DJ Wideband
No but you got a lot of other goodies ...lol Plus you know a thing or two about a thing or two ...LOL.. 
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zxbob
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posted October 05, 2006 05:59 PM
Or here either
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zxbob
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posted October 05, 2006 06:00 PM
Bob
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sj1400
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posted October 05, 2006 07:13 PM
Btw my 2 Busa's I had 3 different turbo setups. Started with the Hahn kit set at 270hp on pump gas. Used a spacer to lower compression. The 1st boosted ride had me in disbelief. How could anyone want more. Years later after selling the Hahn and going with a Ghetto kit the HP/Torque was increased each year.
My best advice is think about the entire pkg. On the 1st turbo I melted some pistons doing top end runs on pump gas. Water injection or an intercooler are mandatory on pump gas if you want to keep your motor healthy. Trying to find race gas in unfamiliar places was a pain.
SO I upgraded to an intercooled kit. 330 hp on low boost. Following year Upgraded to a dual ball bearing turbo, Carillo rods and valve springs for reliability. In other words beef up the motor to endure higher boost. 4' extended swingarm to keep it ridable. 2nd stage of boost on race gas - 400hp at the rear.
Installation and tuning are critical - a sloppy install will cause you to lose a motor.
Oil + filter changes every 1500 miles. Maintenance is crucial.
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posted October 05, 2006 07:28 PM
Edited By: ZREXER on 5 Oct 2006 20:40
You need to either have allot of knowledge your self or deal with a knowledgable company to have a properly sorted system that will perform as expected and not drive you nuts with down time. Still boost is an amazing thing as shown by the below 2.0L Miata with 616 rear wheel horsepower at 27 lbs boost! 425 ft lbs of torque is pretty decent as well. In a 2200 lb car, this would be Viper...................shit, Enzo Ferrari crushing performance!
1994 MAZDA MIATA 2.0L
616.8 rwhp@7600 27.5 LBS OF BOOST
BUILT BY ESSA TECH
2.0L Stroker Kit by Flyingmiata
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ninja14
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posted October 05, 2006 08:39 PM
Awesome motor.........too bad the car still looks like shit..................Miatahahahaahhaaaaa......
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eklipse636
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posted October 06, 2006 06:29 AM
i never liked the looks of a miata. seen some that would haul ass for a 4 cyl
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posted October 06, 2006 01:44 PM
I've had a '90 Miata since new and I always get kidded about driving a 'girlie' car. Stock they are nothing special, but once you mod the suspension, wheels & tires and get into some engine mods, they can be made into a little screamer.
They are such a light car that even a turbo with 230 to 240 at the rear wheels nets a 0 to 60 time in the low 5 second range.
On tight mountain roads I will be on your ass if you are on a 600 cc sport bike. They can only pull away on longer straights and then I am right back on top of them as soon as the corners come. Of course the same can be said of most sports cars...................you can carry way more speed through a corner than you can on a bike.
In parking lot slalom, it is fun beating 'vettes and Porsches that cost 3 - 4 times or more !
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zx14_1965
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posted October 09, 2006 06:40 PM
Edited By: zx14_1965 on 9 Oct 2006 19:46
Now really, do you need a turbo on the 14? 
Cons: You'll blow the motor up in 5 seconds or less if it's not tuned right. If you have $7-$10K to blow then go for it.
Pros # 1: you can really enjoy all the turbo power in only 6th gear on a 3 mile straight stretch.
Pros #2 : You won't be tempted to jump on the throttle in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear.
Pros#3 : You'll have a new found respect for the meaning of "power".
If you go with Turbo, then don't bother with taking the "flies out". 
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