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posted July 06, 2006 03:00 AM
Thoughts on speedo, speedohealer, ECU Was thinking about how to retain stock or taller gearing, get an accurate speedo reading and lastly, keep the ECU from shutting the bike down at 186.
Problems with using just a speedohealer:
If you reduce pulse count with a speedohealer, you no longer have accurate speed count to the speedo.
Speedo only reads 190 in any case.
I'm thinking you could split the output, with a corrected pulse train going up to the ECU and a *second* corrected pulse train, say mph --> kph going to the speedo. That way, the ECU thinks the bike is going half the speed you really are going, and the speedo is reading the correct speed.
I could prolly do this with a pair of Speedo Healers, but I might contact them and see if they can fill a special order and pot two units side by side or somesuch.
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posted July 06, 2006 03:09 AM
Email I sent:
Hi guys,
First of all, let me say that I love your product. The speedohealer is a great unit. I purchased on for my ZX10R back in 2004 and love it!
I recently had a 2006 Kawasaki ZX14 delivered, and was again, considering your unit.
However, I have a question / special request:
Would it be possible to produce a unit with multiple outputs? In other words, produce a Speedohealer that provided one output to the ECU, and another, seperately calibrated output to the Speedometer / Odometer unit?
This woiuld allow a rider to have correctly calibrated speedometer reading without running into a top speed limitation by the ECU.
posted July 06, 2006 03:25 AM
Edited By: BobC on 6 Jul 2006 04:38
According to Norbert at Speedo Healer, you can use one SH before the ECU to put in an under-read (giving the headroom to avoid the speed limiter) and another between the ECU and Speedo to correct the mph reading. Haven't tried it yet though.
What I did do with just one SH was to set it to the convert kph to mph mode ( switch 2 and 2 presses on the button). This put in a huge under-read which effectively avoided the limiter and also conveniently stepped the mph reading down onto the inner kph scale of the speedo. Giving me a 300mph speedo. Do USA 14's have the inner kph scale on their speedo's ?
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Candy Thunder Blue 2006 ZZR1400
Stock wheelbase
Max: 205.4 mph in 1.25 miles
2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
posted July 06, 2006 06:22 AM
Smart thinking guys. Please keep us informed.
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quote:I'll check later today...Yah, that would work!
Yes it worked just fine, if you can manage with the small scale. I think you could put in a positive or negative offset as well as the kph conversion to calibrate it if you're really keen.
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Candy Thunder Blue 2006 ZZR1400
Stock wheelbase
Max: 205.4 mph in 1.25 miles
2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
posted July 06, 2006 08:22 AM
You'd be tapping into the CAN bus if you tried to put a speedo healer between the ECU and the speedo... seems like that could cause problems elsewhere. Somewhere up in the speedo housing, there is probably a converter that converts the CAN speed signal into pulses for the speedo reading... that's where you'd have to tap into, and it's probably all done on a circuit board - not just simple wires.
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posted July 06, 2006 11:51 AM
The Muzzy people informed me today that they are working on a device to by-pass the limiter. We'll just have to wait and see.
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'There's more living in five minutes flat-out on a bike than some men have in an entire life'.
"The World's Fastest Indian"
One fast red ZX-14,
Three World and four National Land Speed Records,
One faster red and white Cessna Turbo 210
So they've been working on it since February maybe? Must be a tough nut to crack...
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'06 Passion Red ZX-14 | Black D&D Slip-ons | Speedo Healer | V1 | zumo 550 | Heli-Risers | PhantomX
posted July 06, 2006 12:54 PM
Nice thing about the Speedo Healer is that it can be in transparent mode for eveyday riding or set to "whatever" for a top speed event. Either way it does not affect normal operation of the gear position indicator or anything else. Note, the odometer reading will be affected by any changes you make to speedo calibration.
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Candy Thunder Blue 2006 ZZR1400
Stock wheelbase
Max: 205.4 mph in 1.25 miles
2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
posted July 06, 2006 02:53 PM
Edited By: zx11_12 on 6 Jul 2006 15:54
One other option.....
Send the speedo to a gauge restoration shop ( I have one bookmarked at home, somewhere. They did some work on my '79 CBX gauges) and have a new face made in any scale you want....200mph top speed? 225mph? then use the speedo healer to calibrate it to read correctly. Seems it would solve the top speed problem, still let you use the easier to read mph scale and give you the propper scale on the speedometer so that you don't run out of numbers on the top end. The first one to have it done pays the extra costs to have the lithograph films made, which can be expensive (around $250), but all the rest are made from the same films and are much cheaper. So if you go together as a group, you could split the initial costs.
posted July 06, 2006 10:21 PM
Edited By: zx11_12 on 6 Jul 2006 23:22
Here is the company I dealt with on my CBX gauges.
http://dandmrestoration.home.mindspring.com/gauges.htm ____________
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posted July 06, 2006 11:45 PM
Now your talking. So we could get a 240mph speedo dial made, calibrate the SH for minus 20%, or whatever the right figure is, give enough headroom to avoid the ECU limiter and really annoy 'Busa owners.
Quite a brainstorming thread this !
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Candy Thunder Blue 2006 ZZR1400
Stock wheelbase
Max: 205.4 mph in 1.25 miles
2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)
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posted July 07, 2006 04:13 AM
No, there won't be a 220 mph speedo you can order. But ZX11_12 hit upon the exact idea I was going after, where you have a speedo with higher MPH readings on it, and are sending a slower speed signal down to the ECU.
posted July 07, 2006 06:15 AM
I'm in for one too.
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'There's more living in five minutes flat-out on a bike than some men have in an entire life'.
"The World's Fastest Indian"
One fast red ZX-14,
Three World and four National Land Speed Records,
One faster red and white Cessna Turbo 210
posted July 07, 2006 09:24 AM
Gosh! I feel so smart. lol
As Lucky12 once said when asked how in the world he ever got Melissa to marry him, "Even a blind squirrell finds a nut every now and then".
I thinking of buying a ZX14 in the spring, so if you guys do get this done, I'll probably benefit from it too.
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posted July 07, 2006 10:35 AM
Just got off the phone w/Matt @D&M.
Our dial is plastic. IT transfers light from behind.
D&M only works on metal faces.
Back to square 1.
posted July 07, 2006 01:24 PM
Ok. another suggestion..not quite as perfect as the first.......But I'v e also done this one so I know it will work.
Take your speedo to a signmakers shop. Have them take a digital picture of the face for size and font reference. Then they can use a graphics program to make a new face with a different scale and print it on the same vinyl that they use to wrap cars and trailers. You apply the overlay to your face, recalibrate and BINGO! you're good to go.
Doesn't Pastor RedElk run just such a shop? Could h e be persuaded to work on it for bunch of "brothers"?
The only disadvantage is that the light won't shine through from behind at night, but you might be able to install a couple of clear LED's around the edge on the front side of the face when putting it back together.
Not quite as elegant as the first solution, but still effective.
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posted April 18, 2007 09:27 AM
Speedohealer Could some one please tell me which wires go where when hooking up the speedohealer on the 14. I tried using the instrucyions but got an FI error. any help would be appreciated. I do have the kawasaki harness. Thanks
posted April 19, 2007 06:30 AM
The Kawasaki harness kit comes with the pins out of the plug shell because the pattern varies from model to model. From memory the Pink is 12v, the Black + Yellow Stripe is Ground and the Blue + Yellow Stripe is the Signal.
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