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posted June 08, 2006 03:23 AM
Well Stan, the reason I'm on this guy, is because he is a lying sack of shit. His so called "findings" are totally incorrect and he knows it, so do I and so does GTR and anyone else who has done the mod. I'm not going to go into more detail than that here, as I 've already done that in various posts both here and on ZX14NINJA.com, Suffice to say that he isn't telling the truth, in fact the furthest thing from it and losing a few HP from run to run on a Dyno...totally normal too. Been there, done that a hundred times...Do the mod, drive the bike and then tell me I'm beating this up...
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posted June 08, 2006 05:13 AM
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posted June 08, 2006 05:39 AM
Love that sig SCIFI!!
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posted June 08, 2006 05:57 AM
fastestbusaaround,
I just got my bike this week... I have only 275 miles on it right now... I'm waiting to break it in. I have the TRE in a box at home.... I'll do both mod's and let you know what I think of them. Also I'll do both of the mod's at the same time and see if their are any differentiates.
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posted June 08, 2006 06:31 AM
Stan...you'll see a HUGE diff wth the plates out! When you add the TRE after that, you won't see anything more IMO and you won't need to either. 
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posted June 08, 2006 06:48 AM
fastestbusaaround,
Okay... I'll let you know..... Also I'll try both of them as well and see if they work better together and I post my findings...
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posted June 08, 2006 08:04 AM
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Sands, his charts don't tell 10% of the story, trust me on this...I would venture an educated guess that instead of 60 LBS (STD) RWTQ at 3.5K, I am seeing about 85 (SAE) now...my Busa pulled that easily with a pipe and I have many Dyno runs to prove that, so if anything it was lower than stock at 3.5K due to the pipe. The 14 pulls harder at 3.5K with the subs removed than the Busa ever did. Add mapping to the 14 and you figure about another 3-5 lbs RWTQ, easily...no reason I can see why you couldn't get close to 90LBS of RWTQ at 3.5-4K properly tuned. The TQ curve now is much fatter and flatter than what you are seeing on his runs...and that's why he didn't show them.
You are about right saying 85ft-lbs is what you felt fastest... Brock said he saw a 20ft-lbs (80ft-lbs now) gain with a 16-1 AFR untuned at 3,200 rpm so 85ft to 90ft after mapping is well within reason.
I tested it.
I saw +10 hp and +20 ft-lbs of torque at 3200 rpm!
BUT- the bike goes DEAD LEAN 16-1 AFR....I do not recommend doing it without a map to match.... It could damage your engine as this is a very common RPM for cruising!
I am leaving to show off my 14's performance at Prostar Memphis.
I hope to have matching maps later next week?
BD
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posted June 08, 2006 08:44 AM
does the bike go lean with load only, or even at steady cruising RPM's? Time to order a power comander/exhaust!
Would you share your map with us once you have it swiftkart?
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posted June 08, 2006 08:48 AM
he works for Brock Davidson, if you buy brocks pipe you'll have access to maps for every mod / combination he tests!
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posted June 08, 2006 08:56 AM
And if we don't buy brocks pipe??? We need a place where we can share maps. I think when I get back from work in about 12 days, I'm gonnna install my Muzzy pipe, fan, PC, and remove the butterfly's. Then ride down to the Honda/powercommander dyno center, and plunk down $250 and get it mapped.
My "kit" comes from Ryan Schnitz, and he has provided a map for it, but not with the b/f mod. I will be taking contributions for this "custom" map. PM me and I'll give you my paypal account so you can send $$$.
Wasn't it on Dynojets site where you could get any maps you wanted for the Busa?? Time for that on the ZX14. I know it will come soon enough, but were running out of summer here guys, and the 2 too 3 months wait on a lotta parts puts us into fall.
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posted June 08, 2006 09:14 AM
if there's enough of a demand we can provide a place on the site to share maps...
re: the TRE... still waiting to Ivan to contact us to allow us to perform an impartial 3rd party test.
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iflyphi
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posted June 08, 2006 09:25 AM
Why do you need Ivan's permission?? Just do it, and let us know. My money spends the same no matter where I go. I'm not gonna throw it Ivan's way, or Brock's way until I see some dyno charts. For now I'll just stick with the cheap Muzzy and live with it.
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posted June 08, 2006 09:33 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 8 Jun 2006 10:35
We dont want his permission; we want his input,
AND
Because Bikeland isn't paying Ivan (or anyone for that matter) any money to test and promote their products.
That's not how it works.
If he wants to see it tested, yay or nay.. he can send us one to the address on the contact page.
When we're done we'll be happy to send it back.
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iflyphi
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posted June 08, 2006 10:33 AM
Oh, ok. I thought you were waiting for him to give you the OK too test it. I don't really care. IMHO it's the seat of the pants thing. If removing the flies helps me at the drag strip. so be it.
BTW, fish have antlers??
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posted June 08, 2006 11:29 AM
My uninformed and unprofessional opinion from my sleeve sayz:
- remove the ECU controlled throttle plates
- add TRE
- add PC3 for the 14
remap => no lean, Bike is mean!
Plan B: just use Turbo!
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iflyphi
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posted June 08, 2006 03:57 PM
Your forgot plan C. Use nitrous
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posted June 08, 2006 04:00 PM
So, the truth finally comes out and from a very credible source!! Now...here's something else you should all know now...
TRE = Timing Retarder Eliminator. (Of course, you all knew that)
Here's what some may not know:
The PC3 has more than the A/F adjustment available...someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but the PC3 has an adjustment for ignition timing as well, though most tuners don't use it, but technically, you would be able to adjust timing and get the same results as using a TRE...so you would only need the PC3 to do the A/F mapping and the timing, therefore eliminating the requirement for a TRE altogether, although I suspect that you don't need to re-time the ignition to unleash the monster power in the 14. You don't need to spend the extra cash for a TRE since you DO need the PC3 anyway.
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posted June 08, 2006 04:05 PM
pc3 r HAD timing retard abilities, pc3usb... does not.
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posted June 08, 2006 04:31 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 8 Jun 2006 17:31
2 bad...but not needed anyway IMO...but still won't buy a TREFUCK
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posted June 08, 2006 05:36 PM
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he works for Brock Davidson, if you buy brocks pipe you'll have access to maps for every mod / combination he tests!
I live in kansas so how would I be working for Brock?
I'm a business professional at a major aircraft company so he trusts sharing info with me.
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posted June 08, 2006 05:45 PM
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pc3 r HAD timing retard abilities, pc3usb... does not.
But for another $340 or so you can buy the programmable ignition module that plugs into the pc to change the timing for each cylinder.
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posted June 08, 2006 05:46 PM
Brock will share his knowledge with his customers and he's great when it comes to imparting knowledge. He wants every potential customer to feel as if they got the best product and performance they could have when they get something from him. He cares about the end result...and he's quite passionate about his product and service. I don't work for him, in fact I have only bought once from him for my 10R, but he followed through till I was satisfied that I got what I paid him for. He called me and guided my through every step till the job was done and that, was worth every penny I paid for the product. I will be buying my 14 setup from him in the next few days.
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posted June 08, 2006 05:49 PM
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pc3 r HAD timing retard abilities, pc3usb... does not.
But for another $340 or so you can buy the programmable ignition module that plugs into the pc to change the timing for each cylinder.
Having no exprience with that module I have to ask...does that have resonable benefit ? Are the gains worth the cost/setup or are we talking hairs? It's something I would consider if there are decent gains...
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posted June 08, 2006 06:39 PM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Jun 2006 19:43
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he works for Brock Davidson, if you buy brocks pipe you'll have access to maps for every mod / combination he tests!
I live in kansas so how would I be working for Brock?
I'm a business professional at a major aircraft company so he trusts sharing info with me.
Sorry, swiftkart, sounded like you work in his shop, I mis understood your posts! 
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posted June 08, 2006 07:38 PM
That was what I got too.
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