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posted February 17, 2006 01:20 AM
Trenace...............Read closer my friend the air shifter wasn't hooked up. They were actually putting that on the bike when I was there yesterday.. The bottle was mounted but the rest of the crap wasn't yet.
  
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posted February 17, 2006 01:59 AM
 Edited By: trenace on 17 Feb 2006 01:59
I missed seeing where he said that it was not hooked up, only that he had it, and the "nitrous" bottle was for the air shifter not nitrous.
BTW, he also posted this, regarding stock but slammed, which may be more indicative for the rest of us:
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during a test we put an average japanese rider on a slammed 06 Busa and a Slammed ZX14 with same everything(down to the gas in the tank), both with stock gearing,and stock pipes.
Hidetti Hoda went 9.90 on the Busa and 9.67 on the Kawi
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posted February 17, 2006 02:16 AM
Well, Rickey is a small guy,BUT Coby is actually a regular size guy compared to the weight of most riders. He's NO pip squeek so his numbers looked pretty good as well. Also I took a close look at the Forman Grills as they were laying under a bench and I could actually pick them up and inspect. A BELT sander and some paint will do them a world of good. Should be an easy fix.
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posted February 17, 2006 05:32 AM
It would be nice if one could put the 14's clutch into the 12.
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posted February 17, 2006 06:10 AM
Or the 14 motor in the 12. Next winter I'll find out if it can be done.
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posted February 17, 2006 06:14 AM
Edited By: trenace on 17 Feb 2006 06:15
I can already tell you that the motor mounts are quite different, from the photos. If you have one rear motor mount lined up, the other will not be, by more than an inch.
Only if you are OK with the idea of fabricating up a new lower rear motor mount into the 12's frame somewhat more than an inch below the current one is this going to work.
Even then given the extra height of the motor there could be a problem there too... as a hypothetical possible additional problem.
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posted February 17, 2006 07:34 AM
Fabricating mounts won't be a problem.
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posted February 17, 2006 07:53 AM
very nice!!!
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posted February 17, 2006 12:05 PM
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..... A BELT sander and some paint will do them a world of good...
bahahahahahahaha!
EXACTLY my thoughts. 
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posted February 17, 2006 12:50 PM
Be nice what a completely stock bike will do as it rolls out of the showroom. Stock ride height, air filter in place. They can play with the rear tire pressure if they want!
The 1/4 mile trap speeds they are getting are unreal though!
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posted February 18, 2006 07:01 AM
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Be nice what a completely stock bike will do as it rolls out of the showroom. Stock ride height, air filter in place. They can play with the rear tire pressure if they want!
The 1/4 mile trap speeds they are getting are unreal though!
No kidding. I dont understand why "they" dont start at that point for base numbers, then show the numbers as the mods progress.
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posted February 18, 2006 09:13 AM
Edited By: 2002 zx12 on 18 Feb 2006 09:19
They did start there slammed and no air cleaner. something any one can do. 9.36 @ 147 M.P.H. Like a zx12 no strap mize as well not even run Ricky stated very hard to keep front wheel on the ground launching at or around 4,000 R.P.M. Sure should be fun to do some second gear roll on wheelies cant wait.
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posted February 18, 2006 05:34 PM
Question: Ryan Schnitz managed a 8.90 sec 1/4 mile with a ZX-10R with a stock wheelbase/swingarm and similar set up gadson had on the ZX-14. What would Ryan or even Ricky get with said ZX-10R with a 64 inch wheelbase? I know... Ryan had more time to set up and thin head gasket plus some valve work I think but still ......8.90 stock swingarm and legal in his class...apples and oranges comparison? Not taking anything from the ZX-14.. torque and all..
And the answer is....
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posted February 18, 2006 07:44 PM
apples to oranges.... Ryan's bike was no where near stock.... all kinds of goodies added to those bike. ceramic bearings through out the entire engine.. rims. special clutch. etc..... many more mods I am sure... he probably had weight on the front end also....
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posted February 19, 2006 11:10 AM
wasnt that when they had that 40 pound front header on the bike.......
the bike also had a box under the motor with weight in it,
I saw it run 9.1s at memphis two years ago........
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posted February 19, 2006 02:37 PM
Id take a longer wheelbase over strategically located weights..would not need the weights and just be that much lighter . I Remember Ryan saying on his forum he had no special clutch.. the ceramic bearings probably is true; how much that helped not sure it's all that much . in any event Ricky was getting close to the 9.36sec if not quicker with a 10R and not that much different mods over what he had with the ZX-14 .. 38 degrees is a notable factor that helped the ZX-14R I am sure....
I do would believe that neither of these bikes can lay effectively their power to the ground while close to stock form; more so for the 14R .
Just making a point the 10R is competitive until considerable work is done to get the 14R to deliver. In street form they are not all that far apart with a good rider. Be nice to have the 14R torque ; no doubt.
I just gear down my 10R so it comes on early..
Remember Ricky getting 9.5 with the 12R ; no earth shattering differences their either.
14R is still a monster it's higher potential cannot be fully milked in stock form....I might get one in two years ; matbe not...still having loads of fun with my 10R.
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posted February 19, 2006 04:35 PM
Ryans 10R made 190rwhp! My buddy owns it now.
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posted February 19, 2006 06:33 PM
Yeah, but......., you also have to look at what was legal in 1000ss, and Ryans bike had it all done.
I am sure the 14 did not have 0 weight oil in it either..........
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posted February 20, 2006 09:14 PM
what will the 14 run with a turbo? maybe some 7.20s
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posted February 20, 2006 09:18 PM
it has the same probs as a 12, way harder to turbo due to the airbox........
but I would say yes, if someone really wanted to do it.
The hayabusa is the small block chevy of drag racing, i am sad to say, it can be out run, but parts are everywhere.......
never seen a busa with a pipe and no pc run 124 to 126 in the 1/8 with a170lb rider like my 12 has done though........., on stock internals and stock filters
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posted February 22, 2006 07:42 PM
Edited By: NOX on 22 Feb 2006 19:42
dude, rickey just posted on the .org site that coby got 300 hp, and 195 ft lbs, with stock pistions and all, no pc, and heavy springs...................oh, with nitrous.....and apparantly LOTS of it..............
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont really understand how it could be done........and last......., but still..............
I say again
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted February 22, 2006 08:30 PM
Good running bike but the ET to MPH suggests it is making around 185 rwhp so you can shave .6 off the 8.73 for an average rider and it seems about right...
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posted February 23, 2006 05:55 AM
.6?
No, not that much, I ran 9.3s with no pc in 102 degree heat at Nopi , and had too much gear in the bike, at was on the limiter in 5th across the line.
that was with a 7.8 1000 ft time. two weeks later, I got the gearing right, and was turning 7.6s all day at a 1000ft track............
the numbers are right, cause I did that with a bone stock 6 over 12 with a brock pipe, u4, and no pc
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posted February 23, 2006 10:41 AM
Sorry NOX - your wrong. I have seen MANY 12R and Busa riders at 64" wheelbase run 9.50's consistently...
So if you take 8.73 and add .6 you get 9.33 and i'd be willing to bet ALL motor that MANY local riders run that at 64" on the 14"s...
Very few riders go 9.3's with bike stock length strapped and all so i am going to have to disagree...
And i did say average riders...
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posted February 24, 2006 06:06 PM
I think Nukedog is about right. I had a bone stock hayabusa in 99 that ran a best 0f 10.27@137.25 mph at firebird raceway on a friday night. The track wasn't prepped very well as it was a normal grudge night. Comparing Ricky numbers of approximately 9.75 on a stock Busa and Nuke is about right. My busa was at stock heighth, no gearing and 100% completely stock. It took me a good 4 month's to acheive this. My 60ft was about 1.72-1.74 range. Nothing to brag about but most average riders never see better then high 1.7 to mid 1.8 60ft's in stock trim on a unpreeped surface. Take a look at the busa vs. zx12 in one of the mags were Mr. shine is riding both bikes.
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