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posted September 19, 2005 01:43 PM
I think anyone who comes on here first spewing the tired old "Busas are faster" crap as their intro to their board, and now referring to Kawaski riders or loyalists as "Kawpukes," pretty much is proving my point for me regarding being a troll.
It works out so well when people do that, proving your point for you.
Tinhead, you wont' be "based" if you don't write moron-level trying-to-stir-shit contributing-nothing-to-the-discussion posts such as your 5-year-out-of-date crap claiming Busas are faster stock, or your "Kawpukes" crap. It's all up to you, not up to how anyone responds to you. Your own posts are creating this impression, not my replies.
  
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posted September 19, 2005 01:52 PM
trenace.... heres what you do... learn to ride and tune your shitty kawasaki to the best of your abilities.... then when you run into a loud mouth, me too Suzukipuke... you can shut them up with your shitty kaw....lol.
Arguing about it on the intarweb makes you look foolish.....lol.
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posted September 19, 2005 02:06 PM
Since perhaps you didn't follow the whole thing, the guy coming onto a board arguing that point (not to mention throwing around moronic terms such as "Kawpukes") is not myself... that's the troll.
The guy saying that that is a stupid bullshit argument and nothing but trolling, is me -- I think you also are saying that it's stupid bullshit to be posting that crap if I understood you correctly. Agreed there.
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posted September 19, 2005 02:43 PM
Trenace, it was never my intent by coming here to make your life miserable or make your Internet experience a less than contented one. Your continued bleating is moving me to consider that an unexpected side benefit, though. Kawasaki riders, loyalists even, aren't kawpukes. Those are the ones "who follow the releases of a manufacturers marketing department as though they were the gospel truth delivered on stone tablets" like bandanaheads or the ducatisti. I don't have a nickname for those Ducati pinheads yet because why dream up a nickname for a subset of buyers of a brand whose total unit sales don't amount to what a major manufacturer damages in shipping?
I saw a test from one of those Britmags that I consider to be total BS back in 1999 that had a stock Busa pegged at 194. Didn't believe it then, don't believe it now. But why continue dragging the Busa into a thread dedicated to the 14?
All I've seen so far from you on this thread is defense of the 14 against input from real live motorcyclists like ugly front, dated styling, RF900ish, and the like, reacting to others rather than posting what you, yourself, think of the 14. You posted some interesting dimensional analysis, but show a robotic lack of emotion, passion some might say. What do you think about it, how do you feel about the 14? That's the meat of the coconut. It is only a press release with some pics at the moment, what's your gut-level reaction?
Yours truly from under the bridge,
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posted September 19, 2005 03:09 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 16:34
You continue to prove my point. Why don't you try reading my posts, compare 'em to yours, and find for yourself who is contributing to the discussion and who is not, who is regurgitating hype and who is not, who is out to simply make noise and who is not.
As to why you ask "why continue dragging the Busa," that's incredibly ironic... you're the guy who came in here dragging the "Busas are faster" noise with you, or maybe you're hoping people have forgot that.
As for your attempted back up of your "Kawpukes" trolling, saying you're only arguing against those "who follow the releases of a manufacturers marketing department as though they were the gospel truth delivered on stone tablets," that's a strawman argument: that is to say, an argument against something that wasn't the case. No one here was doing that. You of course cannot name one person here who was doing that. But that's what trolls do, make strawman arguments.
It's also obvious that that false characterization is somewhat insulting and intended to get a rise, that supposedly we here "follow the releases of a manufacturers marketing department as though they were the gospel truth delivered on stone tablets." But that's what trolls do.
Trolls are as trolls do... it's not what I say that makes you one or will continue to make you one, but your own choice of what to post. So far you're sticking to the pattern like glue.
Who knows, maybe you can actually do something but act like a troll, hopefully that will be the case, but thus far you have not. Instead, you've just been proving the point futher with your own words.
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posted September 19, 2005 03:29 PM
Where are the cut away pics?
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posted September 19, 2005 03:31 PM
Menance...er I mean Trenace..... put on your helmet and take a ride......
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posted September 19, 2005 03:32 PM
Blow me, Turboblew. You're also just playing into the addition of nothing but noise.
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posted September 19, 2005 03:36 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 16:39
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Where are the cut away pics?
Ra, the pics Redelk put up don't work anymore. They are however on the ZZR-1200.net board. Here's the link:
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posted September 19, 2005 03:48 PM
Hey menace.... eat shit.
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posted September 19, 2005 03:51 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 16:54
Killfile. Bye-bye, Blew. (Not simply based on the above but what I've seen of you the last 2 years. You're more noise than anything else, by far.)
Hmm, wonder if this thread can get back on track, if the above two shit-talkers-and-subject-changers-to-total-crap can quit shitting in the punch bowl...
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posted September 19, 2005 03:55 PM
You two better start behaving yourselves. Don't make me stop this interweb and give ya' both a good backhand.
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posted September 19, 2005 04:03 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 17:06
That's the beauty of the "killfile," Dino. I need never waste time replying to whatever further may come from that source, and once that source catches on to that, the amount of nonsense posted in my direction will reduce greatly, or the individual will look quite stupid posting endlessly to someone that never replies to them. Should be a good way of getting this thread back on track, as well as reducing future derailments from the same source. Can't guarantee that'll stop the derailments, but it helps towards it.
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posted September 19, 2005 04:09 PM
I am tempted to cut' n paste what I've written elsewhere regarding kawasaki's return to AMA Superbike into the thread on the NEWS page here, but why inject any life into something that has sat there for 4 days at zero responses on this "Kawasaki Board"? That would be trolllike. 
American ingenuity being what it is, I'm sure somebody will make a damn fine dragracer out of a 14 within weeks of it's eventual release.
Trenace, why do you waste bandwidth posting opinions of those who have some input regarding Kawasaki's press release about the 14, yet seem to have no opinion or feelings about it yourself? I think it galls you that turboblew ditched his 12 and finally saw the light, I like the kid more every day myself. 
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posted September 19, 2005 04:17 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 17:25
Your post doesn't make sense, so I can't answer it, other than point out why it doesn't make sense.
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Trenace, why do you waste bandwidth posting opinions of those who have some input regarding Kawasaki's press release about the 14,
Why ask me why I do something I don't, if not just to troll?
If that were anything but nonsense, you'd be able to have a quote where I posted opinions "of those who have some input regarding Kawaskai's press release about the 14." You don't have one. Nonsense, my posts have not been about repeating opinions of Fish, or Kawasaki employees, or the press etc. Pure nonsense, another strawman argument.
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yet seem to have no opinion or feelings about it yourself?
More nonsense. I've posted lots of my own opinions and feelings on it.
Are you going to do anything but troll?
I don't see a need to killfile you as well (experience shows on average maybe only 1 guy in 100 in any group is the sort that it's best to have a policy to flat ignore) but I can't see answering you further in this thread. Because you've done and are still doing nothing but cluttering up this thread and doing nothing but distracting from any actual ZX-14 discussion which all the rest of us (all but one) are trying to do and have been doing. I would ask that you give it a rest, or if you've gotta continue trolling, do it without my further comment or reply of any kind. It won't be happening. Thanks.
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posted September 19, 2005 04:22 PM
Will you guys take a time-out for a couple minutes? I need to go pee, get a beer,and nuke some popcorn.
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posted September 19, 2005 04:34 PM
tren... I think whats happening here is that yer stumbling head first into a community of riders and friends who have known each other for years... a lot of what they say is just fer fun... and a lot of what they are saying (IMHO) is correct...
this isn't .org and people on this site are going to "tell it like it is"...
the "you're a troll, go away" tactic wont werk cuz no one's going to delete them, edit the or moderate them...
Instead of sidestepping Tinhead with the "troll gambit", why not answer his question.... it seems pretty reasonable to me.... I mean... pretty much everyone and their dog has said that the 14 looks like ass, so I'm not sure why yer back's up suddenly...
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I saw a test from one of those Britmags that I consider to be total BS back in 1999 that had a stock Busa pegged at 194. Didn't believe it then, don't believe it now. But why continue dragging the Busa into a thread dedicated to the 14?
All I've seen so far from you on this thread is defense of the 14 against input from real live motorcyclists like ugly front, dated styling, RF900ish, and the like, reacting to others rather than posting what you, yourself, think of the 14. You posted some interesting dimensional analysis, but show a robotic lack of emotion, passion some might say. What do you think about it, how do you feel about the 14? That's the meat of the coconut. It is only a press release with some pics at the moment, what's your gut-level reaction?
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posted September 19, 2005 04:36 PM
Don't feed the troll.
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posted September 19, 2005 04:46 PM
the only thing he wants to be fed is crack and ho's .... order dont matter 
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posted September 19, 2005 04:54 PM
tren... dont worry, I wont bother to post any relevant info you'll ever need..... cause you never show up at any motorcycling events anyway.
funny...untill you started squaking like a chicken the past few weeks.... I didnt even know who you were....lol. 
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posted September 19, 2005 05:11 PM
I know Dino was BSing us about getting the beer and popcorn, he'd just send one of the servants to get it. Looks like she's back now with his refreshments.....
Trenace got my brain worked up so I did some cutting and pasting through this thread for our comments and opinions of the 14, I have a vague memory that thats what's supposed to be inside this here melon.
HIM FIRST-------
Too bad I can't (xs.to is not working) post the overlays with the studio pics, and this time with the better pics they really should be accurate... you will be surprised, the new bike is actually not significantly bigger in dimensions, nor significantly higher bars, nothin'. When the pic has nothing to scale it, the bodywork does create the impression of bigness but it ain't so.
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There is no reason this will not handle same as the 12, unless one calls half an inch in the wheelbase (which is about all it appears to be) a reason for huge change. If so pity the fools who run a 17 tooth and therefore longer wheelbase if same rear sprocket...
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However, the 14's upper rear engine mount appears 0.6" further forward and 0.5" higher than the 12's, whereas its lower rear engine mount appears 0.3" further back and 0.9" lower than the 12's.
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Not saying that with enough machine shop work it can't be MADE to fit... hell a Pratt and Whitney turbojet or a Chrysler V8 could be MADE to fit... but ain't no way that motor is dropping into a 2000-2005 frame, at least not bolted up at both rear mounts with motor and frame stock in those locations it's not.
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A dyed-in-the-wool Busa owner like me is getting a huge kick out of the latest Kawpig.
I have an RF-900, too, it's great that kaw has advanced their sorry excuse for 'styling' all the way to 1994.
I read that press release as "We kept the klunkiest hardest to access anything frame and didn't feel like being honest and calling the weakling motor a 1350, but we made the front as ugly as we could to piss off the Busa owners who will glimpse it in their mirrors before it fades to a dot in them."
I'd almost feel bad for kaw's admission of defeat if I weren't laughing so hard.
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Stock is for kids and commuters.
Try only 3cc short of being 1400, 110 lb/ft over a 5KRPM spread with 120 peak at 8K.
I ain't worried.
As for stockish commuter bikes, my RF-900 is a LOT better looking.
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With the addition of hard bags, kaw might finally give Yamaha's 1300 tourer a run for it's money.
Repositioning is a wonderful marketing tactic, but there still seems to be a lot of puzzlement about who the 14 is aimed at. Here on a rabid sportbiker board, there are a noticeable lack of "gotta have one" responses.
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American ingenuity being what it is, I'm sure somebody will make a damn fine dragracer out of a 14 within weeks of it's eventual release.
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I have no idea (other than he's a Busa Hater) why my comments/ opinions worked him up so, there were many others with comments less than favorable toward the 14. It wasn't me who got into personally degrading anybody here whose opinions differed from mine, and I made clear where I was coming from at all times, I dig my Busa and like to fuck with things, so stock lasts about 15 minutes after the trip from the showroom to my driveway ends.
Trenace doesn't seem stupid by any means, maybe just a bit misdirected. I'm sure he'd be an interesting person to share drinks and a pie plate with if I ever do meet him.
Yours truly from under the bridge,
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posted September 19, 2005 05:23 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 18:33
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tren... I think whats happening here is that yer stumbling head first into a community of riders and friends who have known each other for years... a lot of what they say is just fer fun... and a lot of what they are saying (IMHO) is correct...
this isn't .org and people on this site are going to "tell it like it is"...
the "you're a troll, go away" tactic wont werk cuz no one's going to delete them, edit the or moderate them...
What it is, is an observation Fish... I saw nothing but trolling. First he was given a substantive answer to his sidetrack, but then the trolling just continued.
The fact that you or someone else may know him personally has got nothing to do with it, doesn't create content where there wasn't, doesn't change the crap. You or others may want to defend him for that reason, but it doesn't change anything.
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Instead of sidestepping Tinhead with the "troll gambit", why not answer his question.... it seems pretty reasonable to me.... I mean... pretty much everyone and their dog has said that the 14 looks like ass, so I'm not sure why yer back's up suddenly...
Fish you are arguing against things not said, posing it as a something different than occurred.
I never once replied to or cared about any opinion he had on the 14, despite your wrong claim or implication to the contrary. In fact, that was my whole point: he wasn't posting about the 14, just throwing in various efforts at trolling that nothing to with the 14. That wasn't the discussion at all. You, like he, are creating a strawman argument. What a bullshit tactic, though in your case it seems more likely you didn't bother to read the posts you're choosing to jump in and comment on, or got confused. Anyhow the picture you're painting is fantasy.
There's no question of his that I didn't answer, other than trolling questions asking me why I supposedly did something I did not. Unless that question was, what are my opinions on the 14... but that was trolling question and you know as well as I do Fish that I have posted as many of my personal opinions on it as anyone on this board has posted of their personal opinions. It wasn't a legit question, as the posts are already out there with my opinion on the 14, plenty of them. It was just trolling. There would have been no reason to feed the troll by repeating myself again on those points at his instigation. The posts with my opinions on the 14 are out there already, you know that, he knows that.
I have no idea why you and others care so much that someone points out that Tinhead has been posting nothing but distraction in this thread, nothing actually about the 14. Unless it's a clique deal, which actually your post pretty much implies. Not that it's a gigantic fucking deal that a troll clutters up a thread, but it's also not as if there is something wrong with pointing it out, or something wrong with saying, let's cut the crap and get back to the discussion. Unless you feel that on account of a clique deal, it IS a big deal to point that out...
Talk about falling into the guy's trap. There was plenty of substantive discussion going on here, and the troll has turned it to shit. Why not just give it a rest and get back to the 14?
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posted September 19, 2005 05:48 PM
so answer his question 
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posted September 19, 2005 05:52 PM
Edited By: trenace on 19 Sep 2005 18:54
"Rolled eyes" right back atcha.
What question? I already told you I saw none that was not a strawman question (containing an implication of something not the case, like asking you why you beat your wife when you don't and further there's no reason for anything to think you do, it's just total bullshit), or claiming that I had never posted my opinions on the 14 when I already have.
So what's the question?
Are you genuinely unaware that I have already posted quite a bit on my own opinions on the 14?
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posted September 19, 2005 06:00 PM
dude... here's what he asked...
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What do you think about it, how do you feel about the 14? .........what's your gut-level reaction?
Seems pretty straight forward to me...
I'll answer his question after you have.
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