posted September 18, 2005 01:56 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 15:05
quote:Entropy, could be you have not been reading very many tests the last several years, but fact is the Busa has usually been the slower bike the last several years. The US mags have not had many such tests at all, not sure even any top speed tests between these bikes the last several years, but the British mags have had many and the Busa has been slower. Why Suzuki slowed it down, I don't know, but they did.
quote:Dude... I've hung out with Entropy too... and he knows his shit...
Trenace.... you'd better start picking yer arguements here... Entropy's bin around since day 1.
Fish, I don't dispute Entropy's general knowledge... I do dispute that he has likely read all or most the top speed tests of stock bikes the last several years, given his statement that clearly didn't have the benefit of that information. It is no insult that someone may not have read everything out there, particularly relatively obscure info such as that not published in one's home country.
Being around since "Day 1" does not mean that one has all information, particularly information such as say, that published only in British mags.
I am surprised you would advance that as being something that supposedly follows. Non-sequitur.
Or are you informing me of a new rule, that if a member has been here longer then one cannot or should not post a statement disagreeing with any aspect of what they've said? (Some boards are like that.) Your post certainly implies that that's how you see it.
Sounds like you're giving me a warning... in your book my reply to Entropy was out of place??? On account of who he is??
posted September 18, 2005 02:05 PM
Tren, dont take it personal...Alot of us on this board have met and raced with each other...So, we know what each other knows as we all have different things to offer...
Fish likes to bust balls, so just ignore his humor
posted September 18, 2005 02:08 PM
I like busas, I like 12Rs...but busas are everywhere, and the vast majority of their owners that I've met were complete jerks. You'd think the hayabusa was blessed by the hand of god for how they talk about them.
posted September 18, 2005 02:11 PM
Damn Aughtsix, didn't you see Fish go after me for disagreeing with Entropy? And you disagreed way worse than I did. Apparently you can't or should not do that on this site.
Can we have a list of those we new guys (actually I've been here 2 years but not as long as Entropy, so I should not disagree else get reprimanded by the administrator) aren't allowed to disagree with? That could help. Or can it be figured by joining date, if they've been here this many monthst or years longer than you, then you should not disagree...
Man. I had no idea it was this way here. Sad if so.
quote:Damn Aughtsix, didn't you see Fish go after me for disagreeing with Entropy? And you disagreed way worse than I did. Apparently you can't or should not do that on this site.
Can we have a list of those we new guys (actually I've been here 2 years but not as long as Entropy, so I should not disagree else get reprimanded by the administrator) aren't allowed to disagree with? That could help. Or can it be figured by joining date, if they've been here this many monthst or years longer than you, then you should not disagree...
Man. I had no idea it was this way here. Sad if so.
Well I'm old(er) and slow(er) now but I'm still a Leatherneck at heart and when I get pushed to the point of getting pissed off SOMEONE'S going to get dressed down.
posted September 18, 2005 02:26 PM
Glad to hear you meant nothing more than that... I'm not "Calling Entropy out," I'm simply saying his statement on one specific thing doesn't agree with the published information regarding stock bikes over the last several years, and that that is likely because of there being little to no such testing in American mags during the time but plenty in British mags, which most Americans don't read.
Hard to figure why that should have been an apparent matter of drama or potential drama!
posted September 18, 2005 02:29 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 18 Sep 2005 15:30
Dude... you havent been "reprimanded" ... just makes me laugh that you'd consider TInhead to be "a troll" when he clearly isnt, and he's simply stating what a lot of people, Kawi owners or not, feel to be true...
Then ya go after Entropy, suggesting he dont know his shit...
Well.... no reprimand... by all means tell each and every one of them to fuck off and die fer all I care.. nuttin's gunna come of it... Just seems like you could have picked some easier targets...
Like I said... it's going to make fer some great TV!
he did say something about a beer, and a damn good idea!!
Step away from the popcorn you lurkers, no drama here
I have tons of respect and time for all you 12-nuts, Busa-nuts, hey even demented Ducati nuts. Hell, the 2 most opinionated, often contentious, 12-nuts here, I consider strong web buddies (VH & Ra12r). I am a Kwak guy, but not blind.
I do happily note the various ZX12 victories, especially my few. And I certainly do not deny that 12's have set some records, I ENJOY the hell out of the few I see.
The mags???? I really pay little attention to them.
If you wanna argue about a few mph top end on completely stock 12 vs Busa, have at it. My interest lies in straight line competition; little mods, big mods, 1/4mi, 1mi, Bonneville.
But I do read what Bear (zx12), RickyG(zx12), DaveO(Busa), Pooh(Busa), Noonan (Busa) do and I am happy for their personal successes, no matter what bike.
At the expense of 6??? (lost count) motors, I have, by some accounts, the quickest NA ZX-12 in Texas. As i said before I BLEED GREEN
(bahahahahahaha, didn't intend the pun, but yes, Jacksons bleed from my wallet)
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posted September 18, 2005 04:29 PM
Fish, for a guy that writes that others supposedly need a "course in semantics," it's remarkable how you have misread my post.
Nowhere did I claim Entropy did not "know his shit," nor did I "call him out" as you claimed.
I agree you are correct that "reprimand" was not the best description of your post. It could have been a reprimand -- it was open to being such -- but was not necessarily one from the wording.
It's fair enough to say though that your wording had the appearance of issuing a warning. Which was pretty remarkable considering how little was said, merely that Entropy might not have read the top speed tests over the last few years, which it turns out, he agrees he has not paid attention to (and why should he: few of us here run stock bikes, and whether one bike stock comes out a few mph faster than another is pretty irrelevant, to all but Suzuki trolls.)
I really don't see a reason for a warning of any sort regarding what I wrote to Entropy, or any posts claiming that I "called him out" or implied he doesn't know shit. Just didn't happen.
And yeah, I still say that Tinman's introducing factually-incorrect Busa trash talk on a Kawasaki board on a thread on a different topic was trolling. Trolls are as trolls do. Maybe he can post something that isn't trolling in the future, if so I look forward to that.
posted September 18, 2005 07:27 PM
Tinhead IS a troll!!! I've seen it with my own eye. He uses his fuglybugly lures when fishing for Kawpukes. He doesn't catch and release either....he bites their heads off n' spits 'em back out. He don't care much for Kawpukes. I wish he'd give my other eye back.
posted September 18, 2005 07:47 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 21:06
Perhaps for clarity, I should define troll. Perhaps some are arguing against something not said, on account of having a different concept of the word.
Saying someone is a troll is not saying they are anonymous.
Saying someone is a troll is not saying they don't ride a bike.
Saying someone is a troll is not saying that they are character deficient.
Saying someone is a troll is not saying that they live under a bridge.
It is saying that they make posts to stir shit, to get attention, perhaps to annoy, that do not contribute to what's actually being discussed, and with no intention of doing so.
There is little that meets the definition better than a guy with 7 posts on a board (fewer than that when making the posts) who doesn't even ride the type of bike that board talks about, spouting utterly-tired and useless crap five years out of date arguing his brand of bike is faster, in a thread that is not debating that assertion at all, with nothing even indicating anyone might be interested in that nonsense, but the knowledge that shit can be stirred with it, so hey, I'll go to this board that I have about no posts at and do that.
The same BTW is true for Kawasaki guys who, where Suzuki guys are trying to have a serious discussion on their bike, come in there (with 7 posts to their name or whatever) and start their shit. It's trolling, by the ordinarily understood definition.
However, if one had some different concept of the term, such as thinking it implied false identity or such thing, perhaps that would explain disagreeing with the term, but in fact "troll" does not mean that.
posted September 19, 2005 04:20 AM
Now after couple of days of looking the ZX14 one thing has crossed my mind about those side panels. Do You think that those side panels with the stripes are big enough to do maintenance withour removing other body panles. From the picture is seems like they can be removed easilly and could just give You enough access to the top end to do valve clearance check or change spark plugs without removing much else...
quote:Tinhead IS a troll!!! I've seen it with my own eye. He uses his fuglybugly lures when fishing for Kawpukes. He doesn't catch and release either....he bites their heads off n' spits 'em back out. He don't care much for Kawpukes. I wish he'd give my other eye back.
Fish_Antlers and Dino, thanks for the introduction.
Please pay the toll BEFORE crossing the bridge.
I am a new member here, drawn by the allure of those members I have met along the way.
As I saw no new members forum to pop my fuzzy head into, I'll just toss a few things out here, and work up a cute avatar and a clever signature at a later time.
I was unaware that Bikeland is a "Kawasaki site". The industry releases and reviews on the news forum seem to be split among all manufacturers, favoring none. I'm in the motorcycle industry as a consumer only, there's no effect whatsoever here caused by whatever bike anybody buys, what accessories they hang off the bars, what tuners or vendors they use.
My distaste of kawpukes, evidenced by my postings here (very few), on the most despised motorcycle board in existence (a lot), and on suzukihayabusa.org (some) are directed at all who follow all the releases from a manufacturers marketing department as though they are the gospel truth delivered on stone tablets. The ducatisti and rabid Harley types (bandanaheads) draw their share of my ire also, so those who bleed green need not feel alone.
The distinctions? Dino isn't a kawpuke, as far as I can tell FA and freek aren't either. They would still have a whole lot of fun on bikes if Kawasaki stopped making bikes today, and if it isn't fun, why do it? If my remarks regarding Kawasakis and their owners are taken in the vein of a redeneck NASCAR fan who happens to like Chevys talking about Fords is, all good fun stirring the pot, IMHO that would be about right.
Or just continue bashing the troll. I'm a mutant troll whose back is covered with duck feathers, so abuse rolls right off, and I'll defend this cozy living area under the bridge with great bluster.
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Fish_Antlers and Dino, thanks for the introduction.
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I was unaware that Bikeland is a "Kawasaki site". The industry releases and reviews on the news forum seem to be split among all manufacturers, favoring none.
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right back at ya... ho!
as fer this being a "kawasaki site", the site began as an offshoot of lazx12r (the "dead side" of LAB....
but hey man.. that was 5 years ago!!! . We are equal oppoprtunity haters here, and talk about all brands, bikes and styles....
And if the Suzuki dealer down the street had taken my ducati on trade instead of the Kawi dealer over the way, thisd 'd be Busaland
They're just bikes... everyone here is enthusiastic... and brand loyal (to a degree).... but I happen to have 2 Kawis and 2 Suzukis in my garage right now.. .in a year they might be Yamahas and BMWs .... who knoiws and who the fuck really cares as long as it has 2 wheels?
posted September 19, 2005 10:26 AM
Is Trenace correct??? YES
Is Entropy correct??? YES
That is the problem with the zx12, it was toooo close to the established reigning King back in 2000. Our personal experiences rule our lives. However, the media rules the mass opinion. Once folks had picked sides, then it became a "tit for tat".
Stock vs Stock I agree with Trenance,,,,,,,, if the roll on begins above 4500rpm but, I agree with Entropy below 4500rpms. That is the problem, it is all relative cause the bikes are TOO CLOSE.
However, in the after stock world, things are NOT CLOSE! The busa rules because suzuki did things right and allowed enough room to build alot of cc's. I don't live in a stock bike world, so the conclusion is that the busa is the bike to beat.
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posted September 18, 2005 01:56 PM
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... just makes me laugh that you'd consider TInhead to be "a troll" when he clearly isnt, and he's simply stating what a lot of people, Kawi owners or not, feel to be true...
