ninja12
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posted September 17, 2005 06:50 AM
COme on guys, don't act like you never dated a ugly girl before.
Remember you didn't want anyone to know, until you found out how
good she rode. Then you were at the game holding hands. 
I still think about her sometimes, even after 25 years.
I agree with scooter the filler panels need work.
Anyone want to bet she goes 200 with a stock motor?
runs Low to mid 9's on motor , 8's on spray?
swingarm\bolt-ons, pipe and tuned only. (speedlimiter disabled)
I like the LOOKS of the A1 better, but i have a feeling you better get your
order in early. If the new Busa really is a 1600 Kawi is dead again.
I really hope WE hit the right target (new busa), not the decoy (old busa).
  
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ricksgsxr
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posted September 17, 2005 06:59 AM
That front end looks great! Mixed thoughts on other views, I wish the frame was replaced with a more conventional design, but like most new things takes an adjusting period.
Overall, not entirely turned off. Yeah it would be cool to see the Zx-14 more like a ZX-10 but I think Kawi is trying to find a balance. The Zx-12 never could be considered a sales success, this time Kawasaki looks (with the specs released) to enter a different market.
The insurance is going to be high for you youngins, and they usually don't have the money anyway to purchase and modify. Some of us older ones are looking for a mix of comfort and effortless speed and leave some room for a good platorm when we want to get our mid life crisis fix
Would like to had seen the meaty specs in the press release and I hope this time for Kawisaki it will hold its resale value, unlike the current Zx-12 which many took a beating on when it came out.
I want something truly new and innovative like a V5 or V6 and prolly will just stick with my old, slow GSXR
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blueford
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posted September 17, 2005 07:33 AM
My source inside Kawasaki tells me that those Testarossa side panels are designed to channel heat away from the engine and keep it from rising up on to the rider's chest area at slower speeds. Very high tech!! 
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extremelean
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posted September 17, 2005 11:07 AM
Yes the fins are functional in so many ways.
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gunner
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posted September 17, 2005 11:54 AM
And the most visable way is they make the bike look GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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aughtsix
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posted September 17, 2005 12:24 PM
quote:
Anyone want to bet she goes 200 with a stock motor?
Oh yeah, I'd bet against that...
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I like the LOOKS of the A1 better, but i have a feeling you better get your order in early.
Again, more than a bit optimistic I'd say...
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If the new Busa really is a 1600 Kawi is dead again. I really hope WE hit the right target (new busa), not the decoy (old busa).
Who's "WE" -- You have a mouse in your pocket??
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jimzx9r
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posted September 17, 2005 03:11 PM
I want to know when the REAL dimensions are coming out. More specifically, HP, torque, and weight.
Kawi knows exactly what kind of power it makes and what it weighs...why can't they just tell us?
Letting us know it makes more power than any bike they've ever built doesn't mean anything...it could have 5 more hp than the 12r. If that's the case and it's 40lbs lighter...great. But if it's heavier at all...CRAP.
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frEEk
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posted September 17, 2005 05:19 PM
jimzx9r, my bet is they don't have final specs themselves yet. seems they undergo significant (tho not huge) last minute changes between pre-production bikes liek we see here, and the final production machines.
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Outlaw1
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posted September 17, 2005 07:54 PM
Looks like they took left over parts from the ZZR, ZX10R And photo chopped em.
At least I still have My ZX12R and I likely to add another ZX12R to my stable.
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tinhead
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posted September 17, 2005 08:47 PM
A dyed-in-the-wool Busa owner like me is getting a huge kick out of the latest Kawpig.
I have an RF-900, too, it's great that kaw has advanced their sorry excuse for 'styling' all the way to 1994.
I read that press release as "We kept the klunkiest hardest to access anything frame and didn't feel like being honest and calling the weakling motor a 1350, but we made the front as ugly as we could to piss off the Busa owners who will glimpse it in their mirrors before it fades to a dot in them."
I'd almost feel bad for kaw's admission of defeat if I weren't laughing so hard.
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trenace
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posted September 17, 2005 09:09 PM
This from a guy riding a bike with a wheelbase longer than a Greyhound, and less hp stock from 1300 cc than Kawasaki was getting from 1200. The absurdity is just stunning.
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tinhead
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posted September 17, 2005 10:37 PM
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This from a guy riding a bike with a wheelbase longer than a Greyhound, and less hp stock from 1300 cc than Kawasaki was getting from 1200. The absurdity is just stunning.
Stock is for kids and commuters.
Try only 3cc short of being 1400, 110 lb/ft over a 5KRPM spread with 120 peak at 8K.
 I ain't worried.
As for stockish commuter bikes, my RF-900 is a LOT better looking.
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trenace
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posted September 17, 2005 10:45 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 00:07
So why then do you worry, or pretend to worry or care or pose that there is any consequence, about the stock characteristics of the ZX-14?
Can't have it both ways.
But of course, that's what Suzuki riders have to do... compare their heavily-modded bikes to stock Kawasakis, preferably of less displacement. So you are doing nothing but following the typical Suzuki-rider rule.
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tinhead
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posted September 18, 2005 03:11 AM
It's as though you are inviting kawbashing.
OK, take stock comparisons of a Busa and a 12, even though this is supposed to be about the 14. Despite a claimed higher horsepower number for the 12, I've still, in 4 years, never seen a test where the 12 doesn't lose to the Busa in top speed or in the 1/4 mile. The answer to the how can that be question is POOR DESIGN.
The Busa has far superior resale value to a 12, not that I care about that. The reasons being that a 12 wasn't that good a bike to begin with, mixed in with the nonexistant attitude of proper maintenance that a lot of kawi owners display. The marketplace decided the "winner" of the Busa vs. 12 competition way back in '01, and every year since. Let it go, already, before I start to mention the far superior aftermarket support one of those bikes enjoys.
With the addition of hard bags, kaw might finally give Yamaha's 1300 tourer a run for it's money.
Repositioning is a wonderful marketing tactic, but there still seems to be a lot of puzzlement about who the 14 is aimed at. Here on a rabid sportbiker board, there are a noticeable lack of "gotta have one" responses.
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eastbaydave
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posted September 18, 2005 08:10 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like the look myself...
HOWEVER....discontinuing the ZZR, ZRX, & the ZX12R? The last one I can understand; this bike is the replacement. In the ZRX's case, there is a HUGE following & one of the largest owners group on the planet. Why shut it down?
What are they thinking? Someone please tell me....
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CrotchRocket
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posted September 18, 2005 08:41 AM
It's all about making $$$...You cant have a lineup of bikes so similar and expect to make $$$ from them...Down sizing is a must and make a better bike for a certain purpose...
You also have to retire bikes while they still have a good rep. and move on...
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tuusinii
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posted September 18, 2005 10:03 AM
ZX12 and ZZR1200 got dropped for obvious reason -> ZX14/ZZR1400. But the reason to drop ZRX is probably new harder emission laws that come 2006. There wasn't enough reasons to design them to past the new rules. I think that there is something new coming to ZRX line in 2007. After all KHI made new ZX10R and ZX14 for 2006 with all other new cruisers and such. Maybe we have to just wait a little.
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trenace
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posted September 18, 2005 01:01 PM
Tinhead, you are a troll. So this is my last response to you, since I'm not even responding to you (since you're merely a troll) but only to a piece of your misinformation.
You're obviously stuck back in the year 2000.
Since then, in the great majority of tests the ZX-12R has had higher top speed than the Busa.
The dragstrip times, given equal and skilled riders, are equal. If there's a difference it's not statistically resolvable.
Yet Suzuki morons continue to post crap on Kawasaki boards such as you've done on this thread.
All you do is demonstrate delusion and pitifulness.
Bye-bye now.
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fish_antlers
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posted September 18, 2005 01:07 PM
Tinhead's no troll.... Here's Tinhead on top of FoxHill
Here I am with Tinhead...
he;s o-tay
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aughtsix
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posted September 18, 2005 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by a dickweed with his head so far up his ass that he doesn't even know what real air smells like
It's as though you are inviting kawbashing.
OK, take stock comparisons of a Busa and a 12, even though this is supposed to be about the 14. Despite a claimed higher horsepower number for the 12, I've still, in 4 years, never seen a test where the 12 doesn't lose to the Busa in top speed or in the 1/4 mile. The answer to the how can that be question is POOR DESIGN.
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/ldrpg/
There is real air out here.
Must be tough for you to sit...
Hey dickweed, the Busa was only the top of the heap in '99. That's only because the ZX-12r wasn't introduced until '00. A stock '00 ZX-12r achieved a CERTIFIED top speed of 192.307mph after which it was sealed for inspection and verified factory stock.
Not 'Uncle Bob' stories, or magazine articles, CERTIFIED speed.
Why don't you post a CERTIFIED top speed for a factory stock Busa, after which it was sealed and verified factory stock? Go on - I'd love to see it.
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The marketplace decided the "winner" of the Busa vs. 12 competition way back in '01, and every year since. Let it go, already, before I start to mention the far superior aftermarket support one of those bikes enjoys.
The Busa is popular because most of its owners are ignorant lemmings. It's saddled with the weight of its own mythology.
Is it a nice bike? Sure is. Do I like Busas? Sure do. Is it the fastest factory stock bike? Sure isn't. Are the majority of Busa owners dickweeds? No, but it surely attracts them.
You're dismissed.
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trenace
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posted September 18, 2005 01:29 PM
Trolls are as trolls do. I see nothing but trollism in the above posts.
Perhaps the fellow can start posting intelligently and non-baitingly in the future, rather than simply posting the most ignorant Suzuki shit... if so glad to see him here!
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entropy
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posted September 18, 2005 01:32 PM
guys, guys, guys, PLEASE get over it!
" Do I like Busas? Sure do. Is it the fastest factory stock bike? Sure isn't..."
wrong, SURE IS.
I bleed green, but facts is facts, Tin is basically right.
Name the category and Busa has it with very few exceptions. Some of the contests/results are so close (e.g. completely stock 1/4 mi) that its a toss up, but mostly Busa takes it. geeze... get over it!!!!
Why do I continue to pour $$ into my 1427 Kwak??? Cause I like candy mint green and don't like being in a herd at the strip.
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fish_antlers
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posted September 18, 2005 01:37 PM
thanks fer saying that Ent.... ya beat me to it!
Tinhead "tellin it like it is" hardly makes him a "troll"... plus he aint no troll cuz he shows up to events and I've personally met him and can vouch fer him... as can dozens of other members of this site.
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trenace
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posted September 18, 2005 01:44 PM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Sep 2005 14:47
Entropy, could be you have not been reading very many tests the last several years, but fact is the Busa has usually been the slower bike the last several years. The US mags have not had many such tests at all, not sure even any top speed tests between these bikes the last several years, but the British mags have had many and the Busa has been slower. Why Suzuki slowed it down, I don't know, but they did.
Now, do I go around as Suzuki morons do, writing post after post saying that the Kawasaki has tested faster?
No I do not.
Do I go onto Busa boards for no purpose other than posting that the 12R has tested faster in top speed the last several years?
No I do not.
That's being a troll, pure and simple... and in TInhead's case, it's being an ill-informed troll, not to mention a self-contradictory troll.
First he goes on and on about how the Suzuki is supposedly faster stock... then he backs away and says stock doesn't matter, so now it's down to modified... but you and I both know that when talking modified bikes, the tuner and what is done matter a hell of a lot more than the base bike that is started with...
Pure ignorant trolling on his part and I don't know how anyone can say differently, other than trying to back him up as a friend.
But listen, I do not go to Busa boards and post Kawasaki shit, let alone ignorant trolling shit. I have no idea why soooooo many Suzuki riders feel obliged to post nonsense such as Tinhead here but for some reason they do... latent inferiority complex perhaps, difficult to say. Trollish behavior though that contributes nothing but noise, however, that's a definite.
Has Tinhead got this thread sufficiently off track now, can we resume scheduled programming?
(That's what trolls do, best to ignore them. I should not even have answered the guy, that crap did not merit it.)
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fish_antlers
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posted September 18, 2005 01:48 PM
Dude... I've hung out with Entropy too... and he knows his shit...
Trenace.... you'd better start picking yer arguements here... Entropy's bin around since day 1.
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