Ron-c
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posted October 27, 2003 07:48 PM
Weight and Horsepower
I just returned from a trip overseas and not wanting to get anyone in trouble-
ZX10R weight is 4 kilos heavier than a 6RR.
Horse power at the rear wheel- 151 , speed limited to 180 whatever.
With a prototype pipe by a major manufacturer and a power comander type box-171 at the rear wheel.
This source seems very reliable. Looks like the 10R is a rocket!
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crazyman1
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posted October 27, 2003 07:54 PM
um 151 at the rear wheel isnt going to cut it, i believe it when the real stats come out. 20 more hp with just pipe and pc no way!!!!!! I want 160 to the rear stock, the higher revving r1 will have mid 150's at least to the tire. Hope it's bullsh-t on what you heard!!!!!!! my gixxer had 158 with my pipe and pc. i want that stock on my next bike.
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Ron-c
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posted October 27, 2003 08:01 PM
Crazy, true that more is better. Drivability has to be good as in width of the powerband. Last year's R1 was very good but they (Yamaha) are switching to the same system as on the 10R so this could mean excellent power down low and on top. The orange bike shows too much color on the under tail in my opinion. The Black on the other hand looks great and has cool silver sparklies in the paint. They should have added some purple and called it Peacock Grey like a 70 H1! Ha.
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crazyman1
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posted October 27, 2003 11:18 PM
cool i was wondering about the black paint, which im getting. ya looking at the bore and stroke numbers i think the kawy will have more torque buy a bit than the yamy. Plus i like the fuel injection ON PAPER with the kawy, sounds like it should have excellent throttle response. I was hoping the black one had some sparklies in the paint, should look sweet in the sunlight.
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tuusinii
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posted October 27, 2003 11:47 PM
The ZX10 was briefly also in Finland last weekend. I wasn't able to visit it but my friend told that Kawasaki rates it at 170hp and 170kg. So that should put it something like ~155 -160 rwhp and ~190-195kg (=430lbs) wet.B ut we'll see..
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INTRA
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posted October 28, 2003 12:52 AM
My friend's 636 weighs 402 wet w/a full tank on the scale at the track,if the zx-10 weighs 430 wet w/that hp(150 at the wheel),it will be a lot slower then the current gixxer 1k,and will end up being in last place of all the 04 liter bikes.Better hope it's at least 30 lbs lighter or at least 8 more hp.
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crazyman1
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posted October 28, 2003 02:46 AM
hey intra, the current gixxer weighs 443 pounds full of fuel with 152 to the tire. so thats 13 pounds lighter for the 10r. 170 hp at the crank is what i have heard also with no ram air assistance, that sounds right!
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TurboBlew
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posted October 28, 2003 05:00 AM
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My friend's 636 weighs 402 wet w/a full tank on the scale at the track,if the zx-10 weighs 430 wet w/that hp(150 at the wheel),it will be a lot slower then the current gixxer 1k,and will end up being in last place of all the 04 liter bikes.Better hope it's at least 30 lbs lighter or at least 8 more hp.
No way Intra... Honda's got a lock on last place. 
I cant see the R1 catapulting to first place... with a sky high redline.
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zeta xray
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posted October 28, 2003 07:21 AM
There are at least 5 ways to rate the horsepower on the new bikes. Crank HP without ram air. Crank HP w/ram air. RWHP no ram air. RWHP with ram air. And PR dept HP (they have never seen the bike). Then in weight, there is dry weight, wet weight with no fuel and then the weight fully loaded with all oils and a full tank of gas. Of course, the PR dept. probably has it's own weight, also. If you take the right combination of these numbers you could probably prove that any one of the bikes in this group has the best power to weight ratio in the class. By using the same methods for all bikes my guestimate is that the Kawasaki will have a power to weight ratio that is a little better than the Yamaha and the Suzuki. The R1 and the Gixxer will be virtually tied. The Honda will be a little further back with the highest weight and lowest HP. A solid fourth place. My guestimate does not take into account ram air effect. I wonder which bike will actually reap the most benefit from its ram air system? Suzuki moved their ram air intakes closer to the centerline for 2003 because that is the best place for it. Yamaha has moved their little nostrils way out to the side. Kawasaki has theirs in the highest pressure area. Hmmmm.
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Ron-c
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posted October 28, 2003 08:36 AM
Wow, I did not mean to pop anyones' hopes. Lets look at this like the advertising department-
151 RWHP = 177 Hp at the crank less 15% drivline loss. This is without ram air which should be worth say 6 HP at 150 MPH which equals 183 at the crank. Sounds class leading to me. If Inta's friend's 636 weighs 402 and the 10R is 4 kilo heavier this is 8.8 lbs. more or 410.8 Lbs total. Sounds light to me!
The power curve is as important as peak HP. If the new fuel injection, valve in the exhaust collector, etc add more bottom end the 10R will be a real world road rocket.
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frEEk
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posted October 28, 2003 10:00 AM
lol! zeta, i think u just coined a new term "PRHP"  i like it.
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INTRA
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posted October 28, 2003 01:42 PM
Turbo blew,my bad...your right,Honda will NEVER be a factor to worry about.I wonder what the people who are still paying on their 954's and 929's are thinking about now!I would be pissed as hell.It would be like me buying my 12 and throwing some money into it to make it faster(pipe,gearing,etc)then just a year later kawasaki rolls out a "ZX-13",if your a manufacturer of motorcycles,you definately don't look like a leader when you change your liter bike completely with, no shit,a new model every 2 years and trash the old one that quick.Yamaha too right?
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k bryant
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posted October 28, 2003 09:23 PM
Straight line speed is simply one factor. I can run circles around my 12, with a 636 on the street and on the RR track, no contest. Drag strip & long straights go to the 12. And of course knowing you've got the baddest boy on the block rates up there too.
Until the 10 struts it stuff, the 929/954 guys are still better than all the unknown/unproven hype.....
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