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posted April 24, 2007 07:54 AM
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...one more time ad nauseum: : When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
First no one is talking about outlawing guns, just regulating them.
Second, the point trying to be made is that if you make it harder to get guns you only make it harder on the legal owner, not the criminal. That's bullshit.
You make it sound like there are the gunsmitthing equivalent of meth labs all over this country where illegal guns are manufactured from scratch and then sold to criminals. The vast majority of guns used in crimes where legally manufactured and legally sold to the original owner.
Speaking of meth, what do you think when you see some guy with bad teeth at the local drug store buying 50 boxes of Cold Medicine containing ephedrine?
And when you see some guy at the local gun shop picking up 50 Glocks for his 'personal use' ? Legal Straw Man purchases are the major way legal guns get into the hands of criminals.
No we passed a law putting the Cold Medicine behind the counter to stop it being abused by meth labs. Yes it inconvenienced cold sufferers but it has had a real effect in reducing the number of domestic meth labs. Likewise a few states limit the number of guns you can buy per month. An inconvenience to some gun collectors but a very effective way to reduce the number of illegal guns available. It is only common sense. It's gun control.
   
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posted April 24, 2007 07:57 AM
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posted April 24, 2007 08:00 AM
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First no one is talking about outlawing guns, just regulating them.
Second, the point trying to be made is that if you make it harder to get guns you only make it harder on the legal owner, not the criminal. That's bullshit.
You make it sound like there are the gunsmitthing equivalent of meth labs all over this country where illegal guns are manufactured from scratch and then sold to criminals. The vast majority of guns used in crimes where legally manufactured and legally sold to the original owner.
Speaking of meth, what do you think when you see some guy with bad teeth at the local drug store buying 50 boxes of Cold Medicine containing ephedrine?
And when you see some guy at the local gun shop picking up 50 Glocks for his 'personal use' ? Legal Straw Man purchases are the major way legal guns get into the hands of criminals.
No we passed a law putting the Cold Medicine behind the counter to stop it being abused by meth labs. Yes it inconvenienced cold sufferers but it has had a real effect in reducing the number of domestic meth labs. Likewise a few states limit the number of guns you can buy per month. An inconvenience to some gun collectors but a very effective way to reduce the number of illegal guns available. It is only common sense. It's gun control.
firearms are the most regulated thing in america. they need to enforce current laws not pass more kneejerk reaction feal good laws that have been proven over and over to do nothing.
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posted April 24, 2007 08:12 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 24 Apr 2007 09:18
...you missed my point, rr...of course I know that law-abiding citizens buy their guns legally...and of course I know that the crooks steal the guns that were bought legally...but if you make it absolutely illegal for everyone to own a gun, the law-abiding citizen will feel compelled to give up their guns so as not to be labeled a criminal and be good citizens...in the meantime, the criminals will just roll their eyes like this  and do this  to old and new gun laws and get their illegal guns from illegal sources the way most of them do...
...and my take on this as a citizen if gun ownership is made illegal?...I guess I'll just be a citizen criminal shooting scumbag criminals.... 
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posted April 24, 2007 08:59 AM
Paranoid bullshit.
How about some names? Who exactly, what State Governor, State or Federal Representative is advocating making gun ownership illegal?
Requiring cars to be registered and recording when they are bought and sold and to whom is not outlawing car ownership.
Licensing drivers is not outlawing car ownership.
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posted April 24, 2007 09:19 AM
Hillary clinton
chuck shumer
diane fienstein
nancy palosi
ted kennedy
the list gos on and on
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posted April 24, 2007 09:22 AM
more people die from drunk drivers every year than from guns.
why dont they outlaw cars?
knives kill far far more every year.....
more people are strangled and or suffocated every year than from guns. Why dont we outlaw strangling people to death. oh thats righ, it is.
People kill people.
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posted April 24, 2007 09:54 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 24 Apr 2007 10:55
....lotsa' liberal people wish private gun ownership should be banned....I think it makes them feel that the world would be a safer place without guns....sure, but not on this planet
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posted April 25, 2007 06:45 AM
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Does anyone know of any single item, product, service or act that has more federal, state and local laws and regulations specifically controlling the sale, possession, transport and use?
Why are justifiable homicides counted as "murders"?
Is there no relationship between the DOJ/FBI's claim of a 33.2% drop in the murder rate since 1995 and the dramatic increase in firearm sales and the number of states that have enacted "Right to Carry" laws since then?
Does anyone know what the weapon most commonly used in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands in Rwanda?
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posted April 25, 2007 07:09 AM
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Who here leaves their doors unlocked? Specially the Front doors!
I do, everyday......
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posted April 25, 2007 11:40 AM
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...mind if I walk in and make myself a ham sammwich?...then shit in your toilet....and not flush???  ...... 
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posted April 25, 2007 01:00 PM
Don't you know that ham is a tool of hate crimes? I'm reporting you to your Chief!
The TRUE story (it wasn't a ham sandwich):
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/
The BOGUS "ham sandwich" story picked up by the media:
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/209231-3/LewistonAuburn/Ham_report_stirs_mess/
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posted April 25, 2007 01:01 PM
DAMN! I just hijacked my own thread!
Put the ham down... I have a gun.
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posted April 25, 2007 03:41 PM
...that gives me an idea...in an effort to mitigate airline hi-jackings by pork-fearing radical muslim terrorists, the airlines should only serve pork-based meals....and airport security should use pigs (the four legged kind ) to detect dope and bombs (soem say a pig's olfactory skills are on par with that of dogs)...pig-skin covered aircraft seats might be good, too....and the female flight attnedants should wear as little as possible and still be somewhat covered up...what else?...what else?...oh yeah, McDOnalds should be the only food vendor in the terminals and make McRibs the ONLY food available...what else? what else?....
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posted April 25, 2007 06:15 PM
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posted April 26, 2007 09:06 AM
P&T are assholes.. saw their show last night about excorcism ... gave up watching .. was too stupid...
Canada's still safer than the USA... oh... also no MLK Blvd
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posted April 26, 2007 08:25 PM
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Who here leaves their doors unlocked? Specially the Front doors!
I do, everyday......
I do also. A locked door is not going to stop anyone who wants something behind it. Besides I don't want to have to fix a door or window ontop of replacing junk. I do lock it at night though. As far as gun rights go La Canadians should stay out of it. They already gave up the right to protect themselves and they are reaping the rewards. We have a huge influx of migrants to our country. The people who come here are coming from countries like Columbia, El Salvador, Haiti, and others where people have been killing each other for years in civil war and drug fueds. Not only that if you look at Californias prison population almost half are illegal imagrants. I've heard Canadians complain about Jamaicans, Haitians, and Bahamains going to their socialist republic and sitting on their asses while living off the Goverment. But trust me a few islands can't compare to our problems.
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posted May 04, 2007 01:11 AM
i leave my house unlocked when I am home, and I live in El Paso, a true border town, we have many leagle and illeagle aliens there. I am also have a CCW from the state of MI, and was working on my CW from the state of TX as well. I do have guns and I do know how to use them as does my wife. And with the dogs in the house, now my 7 year old German Sheppard and my 2 year old Pitt Bull, I have found that my neighbors all know to not mess around my yard or my things.
I do have good neighbors, though most of them do not speak english and my spanish is severly lacking. The all still look out for each other and me and mine, as I do for them. I think that its important to know your neighbors and know a little bit about them, as from what I have had expierenced, most of the small B&E' s come from the local kids. Hence the reason I am out in my front yard with my dogs as often as I can, so the kids see and know I have them, makes them look for easier targets.
As far as guns go, practice practice practice.....that is the key, know your weapon like you know your own hands, shoot it regularly, I try to get to the range once a month alteast to shoot my own weapons. If the event arises that I have to use it, I will KNOW where it will hit and what I am hitting with it.
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posted May 04, 2007 03:45 AM
Same here, I go through about 200 rounds a month for my .40 cal, practice practice practice....
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posted May 04, 2007 07:13 AM
I hit it three or four times a week. Oh, wrong gun. Nevermind.
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posted May 09, 2007 07:27 AM
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Does anyone know of any single item, product, service or act that has more federal, state and local laws and regulations specifically controlling the sale, possession, transport and use?
An Automobile.
Do I really have to go into all the ways that is such a stupid statement? Should I start with which one minors are allowed to legally own and use? Which one requires mandatory insurance? Which one you can be cited for using when it is broken or worn out? Which one is required by law in many states to be performance tested annually? Which one the gov't can mandate a recall of? Which one requires mandatory failure reporting of?
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Is there no relationship between the DOJ/FBI's claim of a 33.2% drop in the murder rate since 1995 and the dramatic increase in firearm sales and the number of states that have enacted "Right to Carry" laws since then?
More likely it has more to do with the more than 1,300,000 gun sales denied at dealers because of new background check and waiting period laws enacted in the same period.
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Does anyone know what the weapon most commonly used in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands in Rwanda?
50 cent machetes made in China.
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posted May 10, 2007 04:19 AM
A date with fish.
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