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posted June 19, 2006 10:46 AM
Just pull the air senvor out of the box and you can go either direction. It just pushes in.
  
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posted June 19, 2006 11:41 AM
I've had the airbox off a coupla times now, I just wanted ta see some pics fer a reference.
I'd consider doin the mod as long as the engine doesn't lean out - I can't afford ta mess with that.
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fish_antlers
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posted June 19, 2006 12:38 PM
I'll get them up soon already! sheesh! busy right now!!!
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ricksgsxr
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posted June 19, 2006 02:18 PM
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I got a power increase, but not to the extent that you did Fish...on the 14 the gains were huge...on the 10, they were there, but to a much lesser degree...still worth the mod though. Where did you see the biggest gains? At what RPM?
This is a common mod with the 01-04 GSXR 1000's. I had on my 01 1k, I did not dyno before baseline and mapped later for some of the choppiness, hard to say what the mod made overall. Did not notice really until full throttle at the upper end of the rpm's. Sounds like the 10 and 14 respond well to this mod
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posted June 19, 2006 05:18 PM
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I'll get them up soon already! sheesh! busy right now!!!
Well shit er get off the pot dammit - sheesh 
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 19, 2006 08:00 PM
Why remove the airbox? Will the butterflies not come out through the snorkles?
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GUNNER
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posted June 19, 2006 08:03 PM
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Why remove the airbox? Will the butterflies not come out through the snorkles?
Dang man if your already there it's only 5 screws and 2 band clamps and the whole deal is off and out of the way. It would make the job alot easier.
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posted June 20, 2006 06:20 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 20 Jun 2006 07:47
alrighty...
Here's the 10R...
Get the tank off and the airbox out. Screwgun really helps removing phillips fasteners for for airbox lid. If you've never removed the airbox, note that it doesnt pull straight out. It rotates out. Be very careful and don't get rough with it or you'll break something. If it isn't working out then stop and have a smoke or a coffee or whatever you need to do to collect yourself. Make sure everything is disconnected from the airbox first.
Hey look... one of the Bikeland banners! (  )
I numbered the butterflies incase ( just playing it safe) they were slightly different for when/if I reinstalled them. You can't get to the #1 and #4 butterflies without taking the airbox off due to its shape. Make sure you pick the correct size phillips screwdriver. The soft brassscrews holding the secondaries are locktited in. Put really firm even pressure and dont rush it or you'll chew up the heads and never be able to use them again, let alone risk not getting them out. With some luck and patience, they will come out nicely. Save all the pieces in some sort of clean container.
Pulling the plates be carefull to note debris collected on the shaft etc. Carefully wipe any debris/grime off the secondary butterfly shaft. Have a shopvac handy and make sure to vacuum the work area and the throttle bodies out when you're done so nothing gets sucked into your engine.
This is what the engine looks like with the butterflies removed. Take a close look at the secondaries when you can hold them in your hand. Interesting as unlike the primaries which appear to be (relatively) precisely machined bits, the secondaries are rather thick aluminum plates punched out of a press.
There you have it.
Something to be aware of: this mod lets way more air into your engine. Though we havent seen any dyno charts for this mod yet (kbryant... you have an afternoon?) we do know from talking to Brock that when he dyno'd the 14 with the plates removed, there was a dangerously lean spot created in the rev range. To do this mod safely (for your engine) you'll need a power commander to add fuel in the appropriate areas of the map. If we can get kbryant or someone else here to run the 10R on the dyno we can at least get a ballpark for where you need to add fuel if you cant get to a dyno yourself.
I would'nt recommend this mod unless you have the ability to adjust the map with a powercommander.
There ya have it.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 20, 2006 06:32 AM
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Why remove the airbox? Will the butterflies not come out through the snorkles?
Dang man if your already there it's only 5 screws and 2 band clamps and the whole deal is off and out of the way. It would make the job alot easier.
No they won't...not enough clearance to get the screwdriver in at the right angle...try it and watch the screws strip or break...you need lots of direct downward pressure to release them.
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posted June 20, 2006 06:34 AM
ditto that.. you need to be really careful and have clear straight downward pressure to make this happen without trashing the screws... like I said.. you cant get #1 and #4 flies without taking the airbox off.
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posted June 20, 2006 06:44 AM
Thanks.
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grunt
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posted June 20, 2006 10:41 AM
I loved this mod on my '06 because it made a big difference loosing the secondaries. I came from an '04 gsxr1000 which lets face it - is an animal at low revs. To tell the truth I was wondering why I was considering a gearing change with a supposed 160HP when in reality the bike was hamstrung with those plates. Now I'm looking at the fat ugly shaft that once held the plates running through the throttle bodies. It must be causing some turbulence in there, costing as least some power. I'm thinking its got to go as well. Before I go tearing things apart and wondering what to do with the holes left when the shaft goes I'd see if anyone else thinks its worth attempting.....?
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CBRE
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posted June 20, 2006 11:44 AM
Edited By: CBRE on 20 Jun 2006 12:45
Just think of all that weight removed from the butterfly's and the screws!
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posted June 20, 2006 11:59 AM
Why not just throw some carbs on the biotch? :P
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posted June 20, 2006 12:14 PM
grunt... cant see much advantage to removing the rod.. only gonna cause probs with ECU etc IMHO.
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GUNNER
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posted June 20, 2006 12:19 PM
Actually if you figured the area that the rod takes up within the bore it could help to have it removed. There's only so many MM of bore there and the rod is blocking a certain amount of that. Although taking the rod out will complicate this very easy mod to a much greater degree.......
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posted June 20, 2006 02:26 PM
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Although taking the rod out will complicate this very easy mod to a much greater degree.......
-zactly!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 20, 2006 02:34 PM
I have an idea fish. Let's take the rod out and shove it up Dorito's ass.
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GUNNER
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posted June 20, 2006 02:58 PM
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I have an idea fish. Let's take the rod out and shove it up Dorito's ass.
Careful with talk like that!! Fish gets excited very easily when RODS and ASS start getting discussed. 
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posted June 20, 2006 09:17 PM
At wfo there is another rod right under that one, yo?
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swainic
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posted June 20, 2006 09:37 PM
Take the rod aat and yu've got to find summing to plug the holes wiv - Leaky unfiltered ram air!!
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posted June 21, 2006 04:13 AM
I have found out from some new drag racing friends, that they have been doing this for qite some time now.
They fab up a stub shaft for the step motor to drive, and plug all remainig holes with JB weld!
This is great!
I've been wanting to build a streetfighter from a wrecked literbike!
There's sure to be many more of them around soon! 
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brobin01
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posted June 21, 2006 06:09 AM
Question .... I have a 06 zx10 with 3K..... can I remove the plates with No Power Commander ?
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grunt
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posted June 21, 2006 06:16 AM
JB weld, huh? Well if I ever get motivated to lift off the throttle bodies I could cut the shaft close to the step motor, reinstall and plug the remaining 7 holes with little metal plugs and epoxy. I'm glad someone else has done it before. When did they start putting these crap butterflies on bikes anyway? When I used to screw around with carbs we did everything we could to clear the passage. Anyone want to buy a used set of 41mm Kiehn flat slides?
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posted June 21, 2006 10:25 AM
brob... I wouldnt recommend removing the plates from ANY of these bikes without the correct mapping/power commander to compensate for the addtional air.
Brock tested the 14 the other day with no plates and saw a lean spot lean enough to hole a piston.
keep that in mind.
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