posted June 16, 2006 08:39 AM
I race the 10R and the 636 using the Bosch 3300 filter. FWIW, I also use Shell Rotella-T Synth for oil... but let's not go there.
You all use what you want for filters. I pay $15 an oil change, and change every other race weekend; neither bike has blown up in 1700 race miles.
I used to use the PL pure-one filter on the street.
posted June 16, 2006 12:36 PM
so i call and ask if you can send me a filter for a given spec. whether it be a zx14 or kz 1000 and you make me what i ask for so why is this not bike specific. change your oil after every race is what is saving your engine. the guys that put 3 - 7000 miles between changes is gambling. if they not using good stuff. thats why we know so many guys with bearing failure and blown motors standing there scratching their head as to why.
quote:so i call and ask if you can send me a filter for a given spec. whether it be a zx14 or kz 1000 and you make me what i ask for so why is this not bike specific. change your oil after every race is what is saving your engine. the guys that put 3 - 7000 miles between changes is gambling. if they not using good stuff. thats why we know so many guys with bearing failure and blown motors standing there scratching their head as to why.
It's a little early in the day to be drunk! You just don't get it do ya? It's the same filter used on about 50 different bikes and untelling how many cars. You said all the above and yet said nothing that makes sence.
Sure a filter manufacture could make a specific filter if the OE wanted them to, BUT they don't require it. It's just a filter for Christ's sake. If all this BS makes you feel better that you pay three times too much for your LESSER quality oil filter then keep on thinking the Easter Bunny is for real I don't care.
posted June 16, 2006 03:03 PM
the quality of products used to make the filter is not what im saying. there is a valve in oem filters desighned to maintain oil pressure on an non running engine. sure they are many bikes that may req. the same specs. but the aftermarket guys make filters that fit and with whatever quality they choose. but they have not the r & d in desighning one for bike motors whose oil pump spins up with a 14000 rpm motor. why you dont see oil filter stickers on the pro guys bikes. are you saying that muzzy dont use oem. i will follow them. heck most companys that sell and make aftermarket parts dont even sell them. the top motorcycle engine builders wont use them. i have a 8000 dollar zx12 motor and it sure as hell wont be on that one.
quote:the quality of products used to make the filter is not what im saying. there is a valve in oem filters desighned to maintain oil pressure on an non running engine. sure they are many bikes that may req. the same specs. but the aftermarket guys make filters that fit and with whatever quality they choose. but they have not the r & d in desighning one for bike motors whose oil pump spins up with a 14000 rpm motor. why you dont see oil filter stickers on the pro guys bikes. are you saying that muzzy dont use oem. i will follow them. heck most companys that sell and make aftermarket parts dont even sell them. the top motorcycle engine builders wont use them. i have a 8000 dollar zx12 motor and it sure as hell wont be on that one.
So let me get this strait, and help me out here if I get lost. You think that the ck valve in the oil filter maintains some sort of oil pressure on the system? Is that what you think? Please tell me that I misunderstood your post..... School's in for you..................The moment the crank stops spining the oil pump stops!!!!!!!!! From that second on you're headed for ZERO oil pressure NO MATTER what Oil Filter is in line. The entire oiling system is made up of leaks!! It's those very leaks that supply the oil to the bearing surfaces. When the supply stops the leaks drain away any remaining oil pressure. AND a screen door is also a bad idea on a submarine
posted June 16, 2006 05:42 PM
Lonnie...check this out. Take a Honda CBR954rr oil filter, for instance. It's a Honda part # 15410-MCJ-000. This filter has 20 x 1.5mm threads, a 14 psi by-pass valve, an anti-drain back valve, a 2.3" O.D. gasket, and is 2.5" long.
The Purolator 14612 has: (you guessed it!)
20 x 1.5mm threads, 14 psi by-pass valve, an anti-drain back valve, a 2.3" O.D. gasket, and is 2.5" long. Now that's about as identical as you can get!
By the way, the CBR uses the same filter as that for a Honda Magna 750 (in addition to the Honda Gold Wing). So much for the theory of the filter being engineered for a 14,000 rpm motor.
posted June 17, 2006 06:10 AM
tell the pros that call, Rob Muzzy and tell him to use that. Call Bob Carpenter and tell him to use that. For example the stock vavle retainers on a zx 12 head are dropping less valves than the high dollar titanium ones. thats fact. so the best head builders for the 12r use the stock ones. and if you think oil drains back into the pan then a remote oil system would rob some pressure. and also why does oil stay full in your filter when changing. thats why gahnn racing puts oil accumalators on his high dollar busa engines. to help protect them from all these issues. i get tired of having to wait for a track cleanup from an blown motor based on shortcut failures.
posted June 17, 2006 06:32 AM
Listen, you're way off track and looking more like a fool with every post. It's OK to follow your heros!! Just remember when yur following them around the view you're getting is of their ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted June 17, 2006 07:05 AM
Edited By: cptcrunch on 17 Jun 2006 08:05
lonniemac!!!!!!! gunner is makeing a few good points here, now why dont you two kiss and make up, just accept that you should change your oil often, keep your engine running and let that be the end of it
quote:If there happens to be a defect or any kind of engine problem while under warrentee with a non-OEM oil filter, have fun trying to get it warrenteed!!!
according to K&P engineering (the people who make the stainless & billet oil filter):
quote:Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. SS 2301-2312 (1982), and the general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of filter unless the manufacturer provides that item free of charge under terms of the warranty. So, if you are told by a dealer that anything other than a specific brand of filter will void your warranty, ask for the statement in writing (you won't get one), and request that filter be supplied free of charge. If you are charged for the filter, the dealer will be violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and other applicable law. This is a federal law and the Federal Trade Commission has authority to enforce it, including obtaining injunctions and orders containing affirmative relief. For more info do an Internet search on "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act".
posted June 17, 2006 05:51 PM
not sure if this is the real home of this article (it isn't where i read it last time), this this is a mighty interesting writeup about oil filters: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
posted June 17, 2006 07:23 PM
Can't believe what i'm reading here over a oil filter. Yesterday went for the heck of it and looked at a $15 oem zx10r filter. On the box it didn't even say for my bike, it was listing a few honda bike models which I honestly don't remember which. think this post should just be locked, that way no more dumb comments on how a filter could blow my engine. I"ve never personally heard of anyone of my friends, or friends friends, blowing there engines. That is the least of your worries since most of us wreck them first.
posted June 17, 2006 09:19 PM
WTF? You looked at an oem Kawk filter that listed Honda models on it? Did maybe the part number look vaguely similar to a Honda model designation?
posted June 18, 2006 04:54 AM
Edited By: GUNNER on 18 Jun 2006 05:55
Guys and Mr. LONNIEMAC.................That's what I've been trying to pound into his head!!!!!!! The OEM filter is just as generic as the Pure One!! EXCEPT!!!!!! the Pure One filters down to a much smaller partical!!! BETTER FILTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT?????? LONNIEMAC
I would still use the Pure One even if it cost more than the OEM! IT'S BETTER
posted June 18, 2006 11:11 AM
I wonder when my bike is going to explode? I've been running an after market exhaust which makes less exhaust preasure, non OE air and oil filter, non OE oil, I even run distilled water instead of coolant. I just hoping the U4 fuel I run doesn't give any more combustion, I would hate for any extra preasure to cause my engine to explode.Man, I should take off my weak Gilles Tooling rear sets and put on some extra strong OE sets. And take off those BT002 tires inplace of some extra sticky D218 because those are what the bike was developed on. And put the fuel map back to stock because these bikes can only......You can't teach a dumb dog any tricks.
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