ZIXXER10R
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posted May 11, 2004 08:44 AM
How to crash?
Was shooting the breeze with a couple of decent riders and got on the subject of what to do in a what if situation. Knowing that you cant prepare for all that may happen. This was a good one: coming up into a intersection and about to tbone a car would you A  ut bike into a rear slide and lay bike down and slide along with bike;
B:Try to slow down and hope for the best.
C: ride bike as long as possible the jump off.
Thought this may be a good topic for debate
  
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worm~hole
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posted May 11, 2004 09:11 AM
D: Shit my in my leathers
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posted May 11, 2004 09:38 AM
C'mon worm - ya know better than that.
option d is always - d) Hookers.
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frEEk
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posted May 11, 2004 10:20 AM
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d) Hookers
are you telling us your son is a pimp? 
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posted May 11, 2004 10:32 AM
Que?
No comprende my freend?
No son here - at least not that I'm aware of.
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Zed
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posted May 11, 2004 11:23 AM
B if I was optimistic, otherwise C: Distancius Maximus between oneself and one's steed. But then I always hated the sight of blood...
Under these circumstances it's easy to prove that adrenilin is brown in colour...
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rfish
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posted May 11, 2004 12:29 PM
how 'bout E) having assumed said moron was going to not see me and pull out, take predetermined action and avoid damage to self and bike.
dont know about anyone else, but i ride like everyone is a dumbass, and that they will do anything possible to make me crash.
just a thought.
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k bryant
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posted May 11, 2004 12:45 PM
 Edited By: k bryant on 11 May 2004 13:54
Absolutely. And take it from someone who's had plenty of crashes, near misses and saves; never give up! In almost all cases, there's always an option to save it.
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rfish
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posted May 11, 2004 12:52 PM
agree
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dnwhoop02
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posted May 11, 2004 01:22 PM
Edited By: dnwhoop02 on 11 May 2004 14:23
I don't think there are many situations such as this where you're about to crash, and have time to make a conscious decision as to what to do about it. If you had such time, you would be able to avoid the crash. Once a crash is inevitable, I think instincts take over... making this debate irrelevant
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CanyonCarver
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posted May 11, 2004 01:53 PM
Edited By: CanyonCarver on 11 May 2004 14:54
I take issue with the concept of inevitability regarding a crash. If you are focused and paranoid, you will see things sooner, as they develop, and have an escape plan.
I've been riding on the street for a long time without incident, and have always lived by three simple rules:
1) Assume you are invisible to everyone.
2) Assume that if by chance, someone actually sees you, they will do their best to kill you.
3) There are no victims, only willing participants.
As always, there are exceptions to every rule, including what the insurance companies refer to as "Acts of God". Kinda hard to avoid being hit by a falling rock or a meteorite. But, in 99.999% of situations, if you have an escape route planned, and practice emergency braking and accident avoidance maneuvers regularly, you'll get by.
As always, just my $.02
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dnwhoop02
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posted May 11, 2004 01:58 PM
quote:
1) Assume you are invisible to everyone.
except to anything with red and blue lights on top...
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CanyonCarver
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posted May 11, 2004 02:01 PM
quote:
quote:
1) Assume you are invisible to everyone.
except to anything with red and blue lights on top...
I kinda figure they fall under rule #2, figuratively speaking of course. 
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mdzx10r
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posted May 11, 2004 02:07 PM
I have to agree with the assume everyone is an idiot part. Unfortunately, it took one time with a car pulling out in front of me. I chose option 2 and it worked out okay, smacked the car but buit got slowed down enough to deflect off and keep the bike upright. Ever since then, I am scared shitless off cars at intersections, but i betting it won't happen again.
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Evander
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posted May 11, 2004 04:58 PM
Depends on what gear I'm wearing. If I'm in my squid gear, T-shirt, shorts, and flip-flops then I hop up onto the gas tank and let the bike barrel into the car at 100mph and I am gracefully flung away from the accident.
If I'm in proper riding gear and have time to think about what I'm doing, I avoid the potential accident altogether.
If I don't have time to think and can only react. Emergency breaking and swerve, not at the same time, towards the back of the car. The driver might try and pull out of your way so do not go where they might. Head for where they've been. Hopefully I've wasted off enough speed to not get killed and I might get lucky and the cage moves out of my way.
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Michael Lee
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posted May 11, 2004 05:18 PM
Drop back and punt.
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KZ2ZX
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posted May 11, 2004 06:56 PM
Edited By: KZ2ZX on 11 May 2004 19:57
Sept 14th, 1984. Rt 9, Holyoke, Mass. 5:30 PM, Friday... Everyone and his brother leaving UMass, headed West towards the I-91 interchange at Northampton. I am the first one out of a light headed east, setting sun directly behind me. Chevy shit-vette (remember them?) sees a gap in all the westbound traffic and goes for it, straight across the highway in front of me. Me at 70 MPH, corduroy pants, short-sleeve shirt, sneakers, gloves and helmet.
It was purely a matter of physics. My bike - a '76 KZ900A2 - had not the braking power of today's bikes, and had it's 650 lbs to deal with. I could choose where to hit that car, and that was about it. Later, I found the trransmission in second, and the police estimated I'd hit at 40 MPH.
I chose the front passenger's side wheel. I stood up as the front wheel impacted, trying to clear the hood - I needn't have worried, as the back came up, and the seat swatted me like a bloop-single into center field. The tank came off with me, and it and I hung in midair, me upside down in the midst of a really prolonged frontflip, watching the steel of the car explode out, the bike shredding itself and dancing on the headstock, the gas tank in midair behind me, the shattered glass and the gasoline droplets all floating outwards in slow motion.
As I ever so slowly rotated around - I had one long lazy thought - if I survived this, my Mom was going to kill me. Then things got really hot and fast, and I did shoulder rolls for about 150 yds down the road, ending up on my feet! (all those blowouts skiing paid off).
And, the whole long trek back to the bike, wondering how the hell I could have avoided the wreck.
One conclusion. My 110W halogen highbeam was lost in the sun, and this guy didn't look my way, assuming the light I'd been stopped at a few hundred yards to the west was still red. There was NO WAY I could have avoided this accident - except one. Don't accelerate out of a traffic light just to hear the music and feel like you're on top of the world. Well, shit - I was 19, and this is why I had a motorcycle. So, no way to avoid the wreck.
Only choice left to me was where I would hit that car, and if I would still be on the bike when it hit.
I made my choices.
I walked away with only bruises. My gloves were shredded - my Marlboros were uncrushed. This sort of reinforced my will to wear gear...
So I answered the question once, long ago, on a machine less capable than the one I have now (and how!). My answer may change in a different situation.
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miykl
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posted May 11, 2004 07:13 PM
without going ito the gorry and painfull details.. if you ARE going to T-bone a car, STAND b4 impact. Jump damn it! I T-boned and all I'll say is the bike's tank did all the damage. 'nuff said.
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted May 11, 2004 07:37 PM
I'd hit it.
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crispin
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posted May 12, 2004 07:48 AM
I hit the side of a car that pulled directly out in front of me.
I had mabey 2 seconds from the time I saw the car untill impact.
I did not touch the brakes at all but tried to flick the bike around the car.
Right as the bike was impacting the front side of the car I basically ejected tring to jump clear of the car.
I mostly cleared the car snapping my ankle as it hit the windshield (car came at me at an angle, person was leaving their work and taking a brief shortcut the wrong way down a one way street to advoid a light)
I feel the most likely way of dying is sudden impact with a larger object.
Jumping off the bike at impact is the best way to try to live in my mind.
This accident happened around 12 years ago and I still feel it everytime I drive.
I have never felt safe in traffic ever since.
I assume that every car is going to pull out in front of me.
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worm~hole
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posted May 12, 2004 09:49 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
1) Assume you are invisible to everyone.
except to anything with red and blue lights on top...
I kinda figure they fall under rule #2, figuratively speaking of course.
...you funny guy...I kill you last
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KZ2ZX
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posted May 12, 2004 06:30 PM
Sully, I said I would kill you last - I lied.
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Zed
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posted May 13, 2004 03:23 PM
Pull up a sandbag.
1974. My mate Ginge hurtled past me on his Bonnie. Tom was his pillion. Ginge stayed on the opposite side of the road, to overtake a slow moving car about 50 yds ahead of us. What a grandstand view I had. The car was slow moving, because it was about to turn right (UK) - across Ginge's path. The Bonnie T-boned the car on the rear passenger door. Ginge stayed with the bike and went from 70 to 0 in about 0.5 seconds. Both lower arms snapped. Severe concussion (!).
Tom flew. 70 to 0 in about 5 seconds. Broken femur. Broken jaw. Nice rash.
Being 18, I didn't really want to be there. Especially when Tom came to and started screaming for 10 minutes (years?) before the ambulance arrived. Ginge just gurgled in his helmet...
That was a very good lesson for me. Anticipation being the name of the game.
In the end, you MAY be able to choose a particular course of action, but it's still down to Lady Luck (and the gear you are wearing) as to how well you come out of it...
Footnote:
Ginge recovered fully, but was made cross-eyed for three weeks after the accident. He lost the ensuing court case. Years later he got one of the first 'Blades, and trashed it soon after.
Tom took 3 months in an Army Rehab Centre to recover, but I believe he was medically discharged soon after.
Me? I have a 10, so don't give a damn. Just hope the ol' internal crystal ball dosn't fog-up too much with age...
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CanyonCarver
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posted May 14, 2004 05:50 AM
quote:
quote:
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1) Assume you are invisible to everyone.
except to anything with red and blue lights on top...
I kinda figure they fall under rule #2, figuratively speaking of course.
...you funny guy...I kill you last
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DB
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posted May 15, 2004 01:45 AM
The real question should be: how not to crash?
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