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posted April 07, 2003 10:43 PM
ALAN,that was w/the dope(1430cc)but nothing wild,just big and made to be spayed.
  
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posted April 07, 2003 11:15 PM
Shit Joey, that thing is a 85mil, Carpentor head and cams. 228hp, 126lbs tq, pretty wild to me. If he was spraying anything, say even just 40hp along with that 220+hp motor, 165mph is not THAT good really. Most guys with a true 220hp are running 162-165mph on motor, especially with a lil jockey like Stacy. Rich's went 168mph on motor and I heard its been a couple mph faster then that on motor before. But thats B I G motor. Either way, Nick and Stacy have one of the faster "local" rides once they get the bugs out of it. Funny story though, there was a guy a couple years ago that came down here from INDY, he had a 68" busa with a 1429cc(84mil w/smallcrank). He was spout how his shit was the fastest around. It was very nice and very $$$. All the high dollar goodies, all the billet, custom triple tree, all the cool shit. These brothas called one of their homies (we were at JCI) and within 30 mins this dude pulls up on a 99blk/gry, 6" oveer, air shift, yosh duplex and wanted to run the rich guy for $500. Long story short, that street beater drug that 68" big motored busa twice in a row on Westpark for $500 each. Then the following weekend another local on a 2k blue/sil with 6", yosh cams, akro, NOS, drug that same 68" busa again for $700. That poor fucker was never seen again. HAHAHAHA Point of my novel here is that there is a lot of street heros that haul azz that never even go to the strip, all their damage is on the street. I wonder how many 8 sec rides are really out there that never hit the strip or run their mouths on the boards? Bunch I'm sure.
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posted April 07, 2003 11:19 PM
Matter in fact, last weekend a buddy of mine got drug on Holmes rd against a 60" blue/silver busa. The 60" dude conned my buddy into giving him 3 and move, the fucker put 5 on him and was back pedaling at that. My buddy was like, " I never see him at the track or at the shootouts so I didn't think he was THAT fast" It was a motor on motor race supposedly but my buddy was spraying 60hp wet and still got drug. The 60"er would not give him a re-match though, whats that tell ya?
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posted April 08, 2003 03:44 AM
Man, I need to come out to holmes road a couple times with my 60 incher....
I think Im gonna do a 1464 after I put the head on it, should be able to run almost 165mph on motor with me on it....
1430 with head and cams should be 160s on motor with stacy on it for SURE. I saw them run 9.2 @ 149 twice at the shootout
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posted April 08, 2003 10:03 AM
Even lee's busa(always on dragbike.com)goes 168-172 with his 240hp busa with the nos on(370hp)and he has to spray to get that mph,he even says so-call him,did.
Let's do the math,in talking w/johnny cheese and stacey,when stacey went 8.60@165 on johns turbo busa,it made 268hp right before the shoot out.For you guys to think that an all motor busa with about 30 less hp will do the same is a little off(no offence).I had well over 250hp w/my 12 last time at the shoot-out and it went a best mph of 160.Even shine,on suprenant's old red busa with that bad ass motor,sprays much nos to it to go into the 170's.All these numbers are from the prostar results pages on dragbike.com.Do you think lee,shine,and all these big motor busa guys are gonna run all motor in these events?As the houston air has been the last few times out,155 is the mph best on motor for nick,stacey,and Rudy's 12,makes 230+hp with his 2 stage nos kit got a fastest of 156 at the last shoot out.ALAN,when was the last time your busa went into the 150's?I know it did,but lately the air in houston hasn't yeilded big mph.Red,the muzzy kit your talking about needs rods according to cheese.
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posted April 08, 2003 01:13 PM
Joey, with all that nitrous you were spraying and NO FUEL you WERE NOT making over 250 with stock motor and that dry stuff.....
And hey shine was on surprenants bike in atl and it went 177 mph after it stood up when he sprayed it too quick....8.18. It can be done, easily.....Remember rickey went nearly 160 on that 1361 all motor 
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posted April 08, 2003 03:21 PM
I also remember at the shoot out rickey's 02 blue 1361 60"bike with a dry shot going 159-162 -with nos at HRP.Kawachan can verify this since we were both at Rickeys bike a few times,as he explained to us what he was using on the bike.Chip had 10mph more then him too and that was spraying a lot of wet nos.Just go to the results and look at the numbers,it's right there.Suprenant's old bike w/Kieth on it runs every prostar race-same story,same mph.Go to dragbike.com.
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posted April 08, 2003 03:31 PM
By the way,the run Kieth made in the first round 8.18@177 was the 2nd fastest E.T.that bike made.The 177 mph was also a tie fastest mph for the bike.It was a clean run-again,back to what you were saying in the 1st place,it's not what you"could"run,but what you"do"run,otherwise it's just mouths flapping in the wind.THERE IS NO ALL MOTOR "SHOOTOUT BIKE"OUT OF THE 160'S.....are you gonna be the first one?
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posted April 08, 2003 09:40 PM
Rich went 168mph on motor, I heard its been 170mph on motor. Jason from league city has been low 160s on his motor, 173mph on the squirt. KREXKEN was going 157 on his 1361 on motor, 163 on a small shot. And his motor was home built with a stock head. Hell, even ancient Karl is going 157 on his 12R and he is 230lbs. Chuck's busa was going 162-163 mph on his larger dry kit on a BONE STOCK motor. It dynoed 230hp. On average with decent riders and 180lbs or so, 190hp is good for 154mph. The guys with 200-210hp are usually going 157+. Granted weather, track conditions and rider weight make up the whole deal. When Johnny's bike was at the shootout running only 165mph, it was making NO HP. I just got off the phone with him. He only had 10psi of fuel pressure under full boost. I bet he wasn't making 230hp at the shootout. Zach ran 165mph on his turbo, with a 1.65 60' and dynoed the VERY next day and only made 240hp on low boost. Zach also weighs 230lbs. Chip's bike runs 165mph on motor, 173-175mph on the squirt. If people's bikes are REALLY making as much HP as they say or think, the mph will be there. If I was to ride Karls bike at my weight, it would run 160mph on motor easy. That was with 218hp. AS for my bike, its not a good rule of thumb because its a wore out turd, even during the heat of august last year I NEVER ran under 147.5 and usually ran atleast 148.5-149.5mph. During the winter it usually goes 150-152 depending on conditions. On a little tail wind day I hit 153.4 banging off the limiter in 4th. Look at Slammedstance's busa, he went 159.90 with only 210hp. He used to run 163 mph with a Carp 1360 motor. I bet on the dry kit you had on the 12R, you were probably only getting 40-50hp MAX outta that kit with no mapping of fuel pressure tweaks.. Fuel is what makes the power,not the NOS. I doubt Rudy was using both stages to run 156mph. Maybe 1 stage. 230hp does not = 156mph unless he weighs 300lbs. Plus it depends on how quick you can get on the button. Lee's bikes are all slow for what they have. Read the SportRider mag with that 250hp motor busa w/ the spray only went 168mph, I phucken laughed. Non of Lees shit runs fast. Hell his scud 600/225hp has never been over 163mph and that phucker is 440lbs wet. HP does not ALWAYS = mph but it will get ya pretty close, lots of variables. I bet my wore out shitbox atleast goes 155-156mph on a 40 shot but I will have fuel in mine. If not, I will pull the motor.Thats no dual stage, no controller or none of that fancy pansy shit. Just the new patented "thumb operated" NOS controller.
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posted April 08, 2003 09:45 PM
OH yeah, and on your 12R with the dual stage, from what I remember you could not even hit the second stage until 3rd gear and you kept missing shifts and not using the air shifter, if your HP was there and you were shifting it right without bangin the limiter and shit,you prolly would have gone 165mph. That fucker had some potential if you would have had more time to tune it in and practice the riding of it. Thats a lot of shit to comprehend in a short amount of time. I liked the dual stage setup but it needed some fuel to make even more HP. Spray 20hp outta the gate and another 30-40hp in 2nd gear, with your 1.55 60's, that thing would have gone 8.80s easy at around 165 or so.
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posted April 08, 2003 11:04 PM
I guess most of the bikes w/the hp then are really getting the good mph only if it makes that hp at the track,or,like you said,can use it.Rudy did use 2 stages 28/28,but like me,he had probs w/keeping it down.It just seems to me that most of these new bikes w/juice only pick up 5 mph in the 1/4 let's say per 40 hp of nos.Excluding the goose of course,shit,it goes 138mph in the 8th and could go well into the 170's in the 1/4,and believe me,I have the timeslip of him busting my ass-but I would rip his head off motor to motor for sure(on the big end of course)wild bill can launch.
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posted April 08, 2003 11:12 PM
DAMN dude, I hope I get more then 5 mph outta 40hp. 
WTF are you still doing up anyway Cracker?
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posted April 09, 2003 05:52 AM
Come on now Joey.....LOTS of bikes goes faster than 160 on motor
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posted April 09, 2003 06:00 AM
Rudy had two stages, but his shit only runs 138 on motor set up like that for nitrous. So he gained in essence 18 MPH from 60 hp worht of nitrous....pretty good gains if you ask me
Alan, I bet you would go 165 or so on karls bike. I bet if I rode it I would go over 160....that bike isnt being killed outta the gate either, so when it ISSSS, the mph will be screamin...
Im gonna put a dry shot on my busa when I get my dyno in, Im trying to hold off till I can set it up perfect
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