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posted September 09, 2010 04:32 PM
going to numidia pa drag strip
i never raced there. it is at 1000ft so. i think if i get my bike in the low 9.60s i will know i am doing good. i think it should be about .2 slower than maple at 540ft.
got the 2.0 steels in.
got the rpm trace hooked up to the cam sensor and well i have a rpm trace anyway. i set the debounce real low for it.
got a oil can full of oil. (i know i should not need to do this but i want to go and have a good day and get back to back same runs i am hoping .then i will make some not oiling the clutch and see what i need to look at after that)
each washer gives me about 1.5lb at .050"
  
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posted September 10, 2010 05:17 AM
Can`t wait to see the results......
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posted September 10, 2010 08:56 PM
first pass was a 1.61 60ft hovering in the air.(do not think it will be wise to try more spring)
330 was a 4.08 ran a 9.55@143.73.
seconp pass threw the front in the air.
mt datalogger seems to be telling me the "cheep" springs fade out after the first run and they get up to engine temp.
tomorrow i will post the shot of the log file on first pass and second pass with a 11,000 rpm spike for the second vs first around 8500.
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posted September 10, 2010 10:41 PM
2000RR
why not just take rpm off an injector?
I get nice quiet rpm logs off of the injectors.
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posted September 11, 2010 01:12 AM
how long is your 12? & How much you weigh?
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posted September 11, 2010 03:36 AM
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why not just take rpm off an injector?
I get nice quiet rpm logs off of the injectors.
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posted September 11, 2010 04:17 AM
ok i forgot to add i got the rpm trace perfect using the yellow /red cam sensor wire
it is 4"over and i am about 165 suited not slamed all the way down.
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posted September 11, 2010 07:40 AM
You should come to Jason Millers StreetBike Seminar on October 1, 2010...
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posted September 11, 2010 09:06 AM
Jason wouldn`t recommend the way Dennis is throwing out the lever with a light springed single stage lockup....The bike really doesn`t even know he is on the bike he is that light....
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posted September 11, 2010 09:11 AM
I invite him to the seminar so he can get track time, plenty of track time since Jason always has both lanes open!!!
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2000redrocket
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posted September 11, 2010 09:11 AM
here is the first pass
here is the second pass. note the huge difference in the rpm spike.
has to be the cheep springs
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posted September 11, 2010 09:13 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 11 Sep 2010 17:15
I also see an rpm dip on the 1st pass, presumably where the clutch engages a little to quick at the end, creating a bog?
Also, how hot was the clutch?
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posted September 11, 2010 09:23 AM
The 1st. launch wasnt too bad, you just let go of the clutch too early...
If you have soft springs then you still need to hold onto the clutch, maybe too soft???
You cant just throw it away, you still need a clutch hand...
You cant compare yourself to NOX yet, he has a clutch hand already before setting up his multi stage...
One needs to set a clutch up to YOUR style of riding, not set yourself up to the clutch...
1st......you NEED a style of riding before getting a lockup!!!...Hope that helps???
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posted September 11, 2010 09:36 AM
crotch.
please DO NOT compair me to NOX. there will be nothing but drama from it.
i am in no way trying to compair my clutch tuining abilities to nox nor will i
make it a goal.
i did the slider for trying to check it out. and to be more constant from run to run.
this will do that when the springs do not go away.
and by the way i can clutch it fairly good. i can run in the low 1.5s on a tall not so long bike
so what we have learned is
1_ i need to think about someones non hardware store springs maybe.
2 _i am not trying to be NOX> got it?
3_ i am having fun.
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posted September 11, 2010 09:40 AM
shane
i guess it did pull it down some at the lockup but i already have no weight on the bolts and there is good power there.i will take a 4.08 330 with a 1.63 60ft. that is potencial.
i do not want to shorten them as of yet cause i am more concerned on the first pass
of 8500 spike turning into a 11,000 spike for the second pass.
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posted September 11, 2010 09:53 AM
Comeon Red, give us all the important details then...
If would have known you had a slider on it then I never would have said what i did...
so forget what i typed...lol
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posted September 11, 2010 10:13 AM
crotch i just do not want the drama.even though no one intends it most of the time.
what details do you want to know?
it is a lockup from muzzys i got from someone on here to mess around with to see if i like
it enough to get a real multi stage setup and if it would work out with my bike as a street bike being able to go over speed bumps and all.
i may go down to mir for a bike day again and visit with shane and gsxr girl again.
it is my bad for thinking everyone is on the same thought process as i am on.
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2000redrocket
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posted September 11, 2010 10:16 AM
i got more what motor work questions are done to your bike to run mid 9.50 on a sort of slow 60ft again.
does everyone but us think the zx12s are slow?
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Shane661
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posted September 11, 2010 11:00 AM
Dennis, you aren't running a slider...but a bare-bones basic lock-up, right?
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posted September 11, 2010 11:03 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 11 Sep 2010 19:18
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i got more what motor work questions are done to your bike to run mid 9.50 on a sort of slow 60ft again.
does everyone but us think the zx12s are slow?
Are you talking to Rick? He is running quicker #'s than 9.50's, on a hand clutch and at about 61" of w/b, I think? Stock motor, no power commander.
I don't want to give away all of Rick's secret info (I have quite a few slips where he and I have run). 
There is a lot of potential in the 12R, but it is pretty hard to ride compared to a 14. One day I will set my 1287 up for some passes....but probably not until next year. I am just burned out this year.
PS. Gsxr Girl is making the transition to ZX-14 Girl; we got a great deal for her on an '06. 
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posted September 11, 2010 11:18 AM
i am not sure what it is. it is a muzzy lock up snowflake with only 2 arms and 17mm long
aluminum bolts for weights. and 3 stock springs and 3 springs at now cold 4 to 5 lb per spring cold anyway.
i pin it, throw the lever out and leave on the spring tencions clutch slip and the arms do the rest of the work out aways.
if it is a basic lock up i do not know.
maybe a single stage?
i thought lock ups were just used for big power bikes to help the springs out.
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posted September 11, 2010 01:37 PM
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I invite him to the seminar so he can get track time, plenty of track time since Jason always has both lanes open!!!
Aaaah ok...I hear ya....Cool deal....
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posted September 11, 2010 01:50 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 11 Sep 2010 21:53
my offer still stands if you want to try my mtc soft springs. btw is the pack wet enough? looks like it was on the first pass but not the second? you dont need to take it apart every round, just get more holes in the hub and maybe a flat spot on the pusher.
hes running a MUZZY SINGLE STAGE guys. hes posted pics 
when its setup right he should be able to toss the lever, but it will be very hard to get with that short of a wb. im guessing a multi will be needed to completely get rid of the bog, but he will get it very close with more testing
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posted September 11, 2010 01:53 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 11 Sep 2010 21:55
I thought that's what it was...but he used the term "slider" first...
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posted September 11, 2010 01:55 PM
he had a slider before the single stage
this is tossing the lever
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