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posted October 15, 2009 06:34 PM
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I looked at the starter gear problem on the zx12r and a 2 gear system could be made and then you reverse the polarity on the starter and the sprag has to be reversed etc. Believe me I've stared at that gear problem for more than 10 min.
But I don't have the time to develop it and the market is shrinking every day for zx12r stuff.
would this be a huge job for your(my) general local machine shop or best left to guys like you if you ever have the time? if this problem was solved, the next issue is the cam chain right?
Its somthing you dont want to mess with.
Put a turbo on the bike.
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posted October 16, 2009 01:01 PM
i would like to run another season or 2 NA(with a hit of nitrous every now and then), and there are some bikes around here that i want to beat without power adders.
what about moving the starter to a completely new location?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted October 16, 2009 01:16 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 16 Oct 2009 21:20
Since I don't know what all the starter gear does...it must do more than just start the bike, right? I mean, otherwise you could just run an external starter for racing.
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KZScott
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posted October 16, 2009 01:35 PM
you can for sure just remove it completely and run a starter cart like you see on most old school slick n bar bikes. but if it shuts off you need a pit member there with the starter...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 16, 2009 01:40 PM
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you can for sure just remove it completely and run a starter cart like you see on most old school slick n bar bikes. but if it shuts off you need a pit member there with the starter...
So, I'm wondering...if you go with that setup, then how big can you go with the 12R motor?
I see old KZ machines with this setup often.
I don't think an external starter is a big issue for LSR since you don't make that many runs.
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posted October 16, 2009 01:47 PM
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you can for sure just remove it completely and run a starter cart like you see on most old school slick n bar bikes. but if it shuts off you need a pit member there with the starter...
So, I'm wondering...if you go with that setup, then how big can you go with the 12R motor?
I see old KZ machines with this setup often.
I don't think an external starter is a big issue for LSR since you don't make that many runs.
This is just a guess on my part...I wouldn't think you could go much past 62 or 63mm stroke on a ZX12 without major mods to the cases. When I built my 1375 motor I had to hog/clearance the cases out in a bunch of spots just to clear that 60mm crank. YMMV.
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posted October 17, 2009 11:36 AM
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i would like to run another season or 2 NA(with a hit of nitrous every now and then), and there are some bikes around here that i want to beat without power adders.
what about moving the starter to a completely new location?
I would think that even a 1394 would make enough power to accomplish your goal....if the bikes you are aiming at are stock displacement.
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posted October 17, 2009 03:20 PM
They are closer to 1500cc with 10 in slicks
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 17, 2009 03:22 PM
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They are closer to 1500cc with 10 in slicks
What kind of ET's on motor?
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posted October 17, 2009 04:03 PM
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They are closer to 1500cc with 10 in slicks
You looking at somewhere around 8.teens to 8.2`s?????
Sounds like T/G bikes with that kind of cc`s(8.20`s).....
Do they have nitrous on them.....
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posted October 17, 2009 05:01 PM
One has been 7s. I'm aimed at the 8.50 bikes. No power adders. It will require a bit of chassis work to get there. I'm getting there though. Got my 2 step working better today (shimmed the switch) and now I'm working on the suspension. Got it running smooth in the 9 teens then 9.0s with barely any wheelie. Turned up the power a bit and I'm getting better 60s(best was a 1.45) but I'm having to back out of a wheelie now. Stock shock its really limiting me but I'm going to try a couple things in the morning. Last day of the year tomm. Ill be making a lot of changes this winter
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 17, 2009 05:11 PM
Edited By: 2000redrocket on 18 Oct 2009 01:14
good luck. i am hopeing to make 1.55 60s the norm so i can try to hit a 1.50 as i am now.
anyone remember when i was fighting to get in the 9.70s and now when i F up i get them. man o man time changes things. i may go to some sort of shifter for the track and try to bank on the .1 or so people say you gain when not lifting off the gas.
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posted October 17, 2009 05:34 PM
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One has been 7s. I'm aimed at the 8.50 bikes. No power adders. It will require a bit of chassis work to get there. I'm getting there though. Got my 2 step working better today (shimmed the switch) and now I'm working on the suspension. Got it running smooth in the 9 teens then 9.0s with barely any wheelie. Turned up the power a bit and I'm getting better 60s(best was a 1.45) but I'm having to back out of a wheelie now. Stock shock its really limiting me but I'm going to try a couple things in the morning. Last day of the year tomm. Ill be making a lot of changes this winter
8.50's on motor can be done. I've seen a stock motor 64" 14 do it with a pro rider.
Here is the only pass I had from that day, an 8.62:
He did run at least one 8.5x that I saw, though. I believe his best 60' of the day was a 1.33.
That was done on a cold November day. I'm sure that with a 1394 the 8.50's would be in reach, even without a pro onboard.
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posted October 17, 2009 06:57 PM
I kind of like the Victory Street Glide coming out next year... I have really wanted to get something like that now for a couple of years... but I decided to have kids instead... hahaahhaah
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posted October 18, 2009 01:25 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 18 Oct 2009 21:26
ill only go as big as 1347 unless i can go huge... i sure was looking pretty hard at the starter on my buddys busa yesterday....(end of the crank)
a good shock is one of the first things ill be getting over the winter.... only 64 in wb damn...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 18, 2009 06:09 PM
Jim,what made you decide a goldwing over a BMW K1200LT?
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posted October 18, 2009 06:53 PM
Pete, I never considered a BMW. They have never made a bike I would buy to date. Actually, the new 1000 sport bike would make the short list, if I was going to buy a 1k bike.
That's a nice bike.
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posted October 18, 2009 07:09 PM
i think more would concider a bmw if they were 6000 to 8000 less money. i would live to have one. but a bike that is close to 20 grand or a bit over better make me shit my pants with power when i stand on it.
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posted October 19, 2009 04:17 AM
BMW's new 1k should be the class leader.
It looks on paper to be top dog. We shall see.
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posted October 20, 2009 05:38 AM
Well I guess this makes it officially for sale.....
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=3&TID=50747&set_time=
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posted October 20, 2009 09:18 AM
This is an awesome, easy to ride bike. You would surprise the hell out of ANY Busa you would find on the street.
This thing could be a real money maker!
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posted October 20, 2009 05:42 PM
Yea, paint the block black and its a stock zx12r with a pipe. 
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posted October 20, 2009 05:57 PM
Jim - Is the crank offset?
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posted October 21, 2009 03:02 AM
No its not offset. The bores are offset .020" and .060". Its not a problem as long as the rods don't hit the pistons creating a lateral load and the bearings don't ride up on the fillet radius of the crank journal. Many production engines have the rods off center from under the piston by much more than .020" or .060".
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posted October 21, 2009 03:32 AM
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This is an awesome, easy to ride bike. You would surprise the hell out of ANY Busa you would find on the street.
This thing could be a real money maker!
Doug
We were riding up Rt 7 threw Kent CT a month ago and came up upon a Busa. There were two buddies ahead of me who signaled me to pass them and play with the busa ahead of us. So I went up and antagonized him for a while.  At the top of Rt 7 we pulled over to chat. The guy on the Busa barely got his helmet off before he started asking a lot of questions. He had a 1397 with cams and carbon wheels and didn't like being passed at will by a Kawasaki.
I told him that "The Power commander really woke the bike up" !! "Arent powercommanders awesome" !!!
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