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posted November 12, 2008 09:48 PM
Muzzy Billet ZX-14 Pro Stock Engine
I may have missed the discussion, but have you guys seen these photos?
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX14/ZX14_Prostock/index.html#
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posted November 12, 2008 09:50 PM
By the way, I'll be at the Winternationals at Pomona this weekend, I'll try and get some photos of it in the bike.
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posted November 12, 2008 10:05 PM
Very cool ... thanks Doug ...
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posted November 12, 2008 10:39 PM
My jaw literally dropped. thanks for making me drool on my keyboard Doug LOL. damn I want one.
so are they using a stock lower case and then doing some fancy machine work to use it with their fancy billet stuff? Lectrons or FI? bore, stroke? we need details 
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posted November 13, 2008 06:29 AM
It says production based. But this is a different motor than the one they were trying out before, right?
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posted November 13, 2008 06:32 AM
If I remember correctly, Rob posted over on Dragbike.com forums,
Bore: 95mm Stroke: 59mm
I want one of those clutch covers, and the goodies underneath as well 
Checkout the ports, looks like you could see all the piston thru the intake,
and look how square the exhaust is, looks to be 4 exh. studs per cyl.
Great job guys!
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posted November 13, 2008 09:07 AM
 Edited By: osti33 on 13 Nov 2008 19:03
Awesome. Good to see Muzzy will be able to compete in pro stock. DSR has a new billet suzuki engine as well.
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=4477&z=18
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posted November 13, 2008 10:25 AM
why does the "busa" use a timing belt instead of a chain?
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 13, 2008 03:44 PM
It's "production based" because it's not "from scratch". It is based on ZX-14 cases.
The top and bottom cases are the "stock" die cast parts, the head is all billet and obviously the mount plates and dry sump pan are billet. The head has been in the works for about a year.
External timing belts like those shown on the Schumacher/McLaren Suzuki have some advantages. Believe it or not, the timing is more precise, you can change it easily, it's lighter and they consume less hp. When at Muzzys we built a belt cam drive on the 750 Superbikes.
It takes a lot of work to build one if the engine was originally designed with a chain so it may be not really worth doing, but if you're starting from scratch it's a viable alternative to a chain.
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posted November 13, 2008 04:53 PM
cool, thx Doug 
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 14, 2008 09:27 AM
Looking forward to the photos, that thing is badass.
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posted November 14, 2008 12:57 PM
nice muzzy zx14 engine !!! i like it !!!
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posted November 14, 2008 12:58 PM
the suzuki engine --
looks like a suzuki rally car engine ???
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posted November 14, 2008 01:06 PM
did anyone else notice the oval shaped ex ports on the 14?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 06:24 PM
Very interesting.... nice bore/stroke ratio.
Scott, yea I did notice the ports.
Actually the main reason the timing belt is outside the case is to allow the huge offset bores. Its one of the problems we are dealing with right now on the zx14 Darton sleeve project. The bottom of the cylinders dont allow big cylinder offsets and bores without adding material. Somthing we really want to avoid.
That inner cylinder area must be completely machined out and a dry "blank" dropped in. Thats the only way I can see getting above 89mm on the bores.
I suspect the crank must have very thin counter weights with heavy metal in them.
Very interesting.
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posted November 15, 2008 08:30 PM
So Jim why arent they the "D" shape?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 15, 2008 09:50 PM
Pomona-
The transmission failed today in qualifying. There is no spare, so Rob is done for the season.
I heard the bike run though, and that thing sounds BAD ASS. when you blip the throttle it revs like it has a blower on it. I think he's got something there.
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posted November 15, 2008 10:00 PM
was the trans production based too?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 16, 2008 09:15 AM
No, it was the usual Pro-Stock R&D box. They rarely fail, Rob has sbeen running them since the Pro-Mod 12
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posted November 16, 2008 09:22 AM
When I talked to Mark at R&D awhile back he said that all he had to do was cut the gears to turn the 14 trans into an automatic....or something to that effect. Like he was using mostly stock components.
I don't know if that applies here, though....
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posted November 16, 2008 05:25 PM
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So Jim why arent they the "D" shape?
The shape you see is actually the best shape for 2 exhaust valves. look at an F1 engine.
D ports allow a round primary tube to be used. Easier and cheeper to produce. Also the dport has a smaller CSA, better for torque. But an F1 engine doesnt care about midrange torque.
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posted November 16, 2008 06:14 PM
very interesting! thanks
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 16, 2008 07:05 PM
i just saw in the nhra mag i got roped into getting they are giving the zx14 a weight break of it looks like 25lb. hope that helps they need a bit more than 1/10 sec to get to the lower qualifying numbers.
i love people that asy why not the newer kawasakis on prostock when the busa bikes have been there since they came out. they do not believe me when i tell them they have old GS engines and busa plastic.
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posted November 16, 2008 10:53 PM
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=4524&z=18
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posted November 18, 2008 08:02 PM
holy fuck. this needs to be mirrored to the zx14 section.
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